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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1129 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Melissa is a married teacher and mother of two, her youngest child, her daughter has type one diabetes and today we'll tackle a number of different topics including how her daughter didn't initially want an insulin pump. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout that's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox Podcast private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, but everybody is welcome type one type two gestational loved ones. It doesn't matter to me. If you're impacted by diabetes, and you're looking for support, comfort or community check out Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by ag one drink ag one.com/juice box. When you use my link and place your first order you're gonna get a welcome kit, a year supply of vitamin D and five free travel packs. US med is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast and we've been getting our diabetes supplies from us med for years, you can as well us med.com/juice box or call 888-721-1514 Use the link or the number get your free benefits. Check it get started today with us med.

Melissa 2:12
My name is Melissa. And I am a mother of two a boy 16 And a girl 14. And my daughter is the one who has type one diabetes. And I'm a teacher and a married we have a dog. And we live in the Midwest and everybody in our family is blond haired blue eyed. We all look exactly the same. And my daughter was diagnosed in 2021. June 15.

Scott Benner 2:46
Okay, Melissa, do you have a car?

Melissa 2:47
We have? A couple a few actually. Yeah,

Scott Benner 2:51
actually, when you mentioned like when you started listing other things you own like dogs and stuff. I thought maybe we could go through your possessions.

Melissa 2:57
I just figured I'd give you a picture. You know, quick quick yeses

Scott Benner 3:00
and noes. A television in the living room. Yes. Okay. You have a bed the bedroom? Yes. Excellent. Does the dog poop on the grass? Yes. All right. I got your life. Don't worry. I'm all good.

Melissa 3:12
What kind of teach your son our son picks it up? Because

Scott Benner 3:15
he really Cooper? Yeah, God can I tell you Kelly hates it, but I don't pick up dog poop. So I have a theory about dog poop. I think rain takes care of it.

Melissa 3:24
It will if you let if you let it go long enough or snow.

Scott Benner 3:29
And Kelly thinks that I should not cut the lawn without picking it up. But I don't do that. I would say if I bet you if Kelly and I went to therapy. Inside of the first three sessions, she would mention that I don't pick up the dog poop before I cut the grass. Oh

Melissa 3:45
my gosh. Well, it's fertilizer, I guess. Right? That's how I look at it. I bet you those spots are nice and green. I'm

Scott Benner 3:50
just trying to get your kid out. I happen to do that. That's all. So kids need to do something. What kind of teacher are you?

Melissa 3:58
I teach? Well, I can teach Spanish and phys ed for middle school. And I have been teaching phys ed mostly for the past couple of years. 22 years teaching Spanish for 20 of them and to the past two years visit

Scott Benner 4:15
did those kids ever actually learned Spanish?

Melissa 4:18
You know? I mean, they do while they're sitting in front of me. But then if they don't go out middle school, so if they don't go on and take it in high school, then they'll say I don't remember anything. I hear you know, I gotcha. Parents come in at conferences and be like I had Spanish all through and I don't remember a thing. It's like Oh, good.

Scott Benner 4:38
I have to tell you. I took French for three years. And I know North means nine so Oh,

Melissa 4:44
that's not French. Is it? Or is it? Yeah, is that German and French?

Scott Benner 4:49
Nine. I'm pretty. Oh my God. Are you telling me the one? The one thing I know might not be right.

Melissa 4:53
No, I do not know French or German. It just sounded German. All right,

Scott Benner 4:56
Melissa. That's enough of this. So We're gonna move on now. daughter was diagnosed at what age? She was 12 Okay, it's been a few years then. Yes, couple years now. All right. Was that string COVID Still? Or was that sort of the end of COVID?

Melissa 5:11
It was the end. We still had masks on in the hospital. And you know, they wouldn't let my son come back. Just my, just my husband and I. But yeah, it was past COVID. But we still had protocol. I guess. I'm

Scott Benner 5:26
gonna jump right into this because in your description of why you wanted to come on the show. You're like, honeymoon. Crazy. Oh, honeymoon. Yeah, no one's ever been that specific about it. So let's just find out a little bit about the diagnosis and then jump into the honeymoon. Okay, what did you notice about your daughter that got you to a doctor or hospital. I partnered with ag one because I needed a daily foundational nutritional supplement that supported my whole body health. I continue to drink ag one every day because it works for me. Ag one is my foundational nutritional supplement. It gives me comprehensive nutrition, and it supports my whole body health. Drink, ag one.com/juice box. When you use my link to place your first order, here's what you're gonna get a free welcome kit that includes a shaker scoop and canister, five free travel packs, a free year supply of vitamin D, and of course, your ag one. So if you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with a G one. Try ag one and get a free one year supply of vitamin D and five free ag one travel packs with your first purchase. Go to drink ag one.com/juice box that's drink ag one.com/juice box, check it out.

Melissa 6:44
All right, well, at the time, I hear a million people well, not a million, but 1000s of people on your podcast say just explaining away the symptoms. Because I would say the first thing we noticed was that she had dropped a little bit of weight. But she was running track and swimming all at the same time for school and then swimming for our club. So it would make sense that she would drop a little bit of weight, I thought and then it was the end of the school year in the summer. And noticing that she's been thirstier and wanting to like eat ice all the time, but it's hot. And she's doing two sports at once. So made sense. She was becoming super moody. And she's 12 Well, maybe that's what happens when, you know, you start to be like a preteen or whatever. And so all of the things that just just figured it was just normal stuff. But I remember specifically one time the after it was the last day of school. So the next day Saturday, I was taking some things to the laundromat. We have a washer and dryer but like the bedding was you know,

Scott Benner 7:54
I love that you were just like, Hey, I can't afford I can afford my own washer. I just want to make sure everyone knows I got one in the house. But this is for the big stuff. Okay,

Melissa 8:03
or the dog the washer dryer.

Scott Benner 8:05
I just can't I can't fit that or is this? Is this a humble brag that your comforter is so thick and lush. It doesn't fit in a regular washing machine? No,

Melissa 8:12
it's probably because we let our dog on our bed and it was so gross that we had to take it to the laundromat. I mean, let's be honest.

Scott Benner 8:19
Someone else's washing machine. Alright, there's some honesty. Go ahead what else we got? Yeah,

Melissa 8:27
so my daughter and I went to the laundromat. And I saw someone from work. You know, a lot of people that I work with live around where I live. And he was there bringing some like hunting gear, I guess, or whatever, to the laundromat. And my daughter was like, so short and rude to him. And I was like, What is wrong with you? Why in the world, you know, like, he was like, Oh, you're getting ready for a vacation? And she's like, Yeah, go to hell. Yeah. And that's not like her at all. And then we sat down, like waiting for the laundry and she fell asleep. And I was like, well, there's something wrong. Yeah, I think there's something wrong, but I didn't want to scare her. And then we had family come into town the next day, and my brother in law from Louisiana, was in town and was like, What's wrong with her? And I'm like, Okay, there's something wrong. So what do I take her to the doctor and say, I think there's something wrong but really there was nothing you know, I just felt so weird taking her in but I did anyway,

Scott Benner 9:27
let me jump in for a second did she did you think something like mentally was wrong? Or did you think physically because I mean, she like

Melissa 9:34
maybe both like, we went to like a party and end of the year pool party and she just like looked so upset the whole time. I thought, oh my god, what is wrong with her? You know, you know, what's the matter? Nothing. I might add, you know, that kind of answer. Like the night before I took her to the doctor or made the appointment. I did like Dr. Google searches and said to my husband in the morning, right before I made the appointment, my doctor's office. So awesome. And they didn't like that day got her in. And I told my husband, I think she has type one diabetes, but I had no idea what that was I just saw, these are the symptoms I didn't look into, you know, anything else. And he's like, oh, okay, you know, he didn't know either. So, took her to the doctor that morning after swim practice, she went to swim practice, got her out, went straight to the doctor. And I distinctly remember her drinking a sprite on the way. So that probably didn't help things. And he said, definitely not type one diabetes, but let's do. Let's check it out. Just in case. Let's get everything going. And you came. Yeah,

Scott Benner 10:42
I liked it. He put himself on the line there. That was like, Sure. I was wrong.

Melissa 10:46
Yeah. And he's our like, he's the family practitioner, you know. So he's all of our all four of our doctors since my son was born. So 16 years. And then he came back and his face was white as a ghost. And he was like, Okay, well, scratch that. It is and you're going to need to go straight to the Children's Hospital. Please don't go home. Call your husband on the way. I won't make you take an ambulance if you promised to go straight there. And I was like, What in the hell? Yeah. You know, like, Yeah, I thought she had this but the hospital seriously told so naive also,

Scott Benner 11:23
don't don't pass go don't collect $200 Don't slow down like don't

Melissa 11:27
don't get closed. Don't do anything. He's he said, like, prepare for a stay, you're going to be there. And I'm like, I'll only

Scott Benner 11:34
not put you in an ambulance. If you promise to drive directly there that would have freaked me out. I would have been like, Oh, yeah. And

Melissa 11:41
she's looking at me. Like, what? And I'm just like smiling. Like, it's gonna be okay. You know, don't worry. And then, so we get to the hospital. And she's drinking that sprite still, because she's so thirsty. And I'm like, we can't stop for anything else. No idea. That probably that's a horrible idea. And then we get there and walk into the emergency room. And she's just leaning on the counter, like, elbows on the counter header hands, staring. And our doctor apparently called ahead, and they were like, waiting for us. Took her back. And it all began from then but I swear as soon it was one of those things where like, as soon as she started getting insulin, I am assuming like the life interface came back. Sure. Instantly, but come to find out she had lost like 20 pounds. Yeah,

Scott Benner 12:32
Melissa dying is hard on you. And that's what's happening. Yeah,

Melissa 12:37
I we still like now what now what we can kind of I hate to say joke, but I'd be like, whatever come across a picture. And I'm like, You were literally half dead in that picture. Yeah. 100% didn't know. Yeah.

Scott Benner 12:48
So is there any other type one in your family? No. Okay. No other autoimmune stuff.

Melissa 12:55
Just thyroid, my mom and my sister. Okay, and that is it. That's Mr. Has Hashimoto. Right, I believe. And my mom, I'm not sure what she has, but she's been taking thyroid medication as long as I can remember. Yeah.

Scott Benner 13:10
So she probably had Hashimotos before they knew how to test for the antibodies. My

Melissa 13:13
son has a peanut allergy, which I think some say is also possibly autoimmune.

Scott Benner 13:20
Yeah,

Melissa 13:21
hold on a second. I don't know our doctor has mentioned it a few times. I know you're gonna Google

Scott Benner 13:26
it. Your doctor also said that that kid didn't have diabetes. So let's take a look. He's an awesome doctor. Oh, yeah. Sounds amazing. allergy. I listen, I think most allergies are immune responses. So let's see but are they calling it Peanut allergens can trigger a potent and sometimes dangerous immune response. I don't think that alright, let's be more let's be more clear is a peanut allergy and autoimmune disease

Melissa 14:09
and no, I don't

Scott Benner 14:11
see it. I got an interesting article from like 10 years ago peanut allergy turned off by tricking immune system. I'm not going to read that one. But NIH article from 111 immunological similarities between selected autoimmune diseases and peanut allergies possible new therapy? Yeah, they're not calling it an autoimmune disease. But I think that the way it works is the link got them and he's got them looking at ways to help it that relate to autoimmune anyway. Anyway, yeah. Okay, so the Son peanuts

Melissa 14:45
and we thought that was bad. Like we thought him having a peanut in all like all nut allergy was bad. You know, like, oh my gosh, this is the end of the world.

Scott Benner 14:54
diabetes will straighten up your perspective on that. Oh, yeah. What if your dog eats peanuts, Craps in the yard, your son can't pick it up that is that correct?

Melissa 15:01
He can be around it. So, get out of that.

Scott Benner 15:05
I'm never getting that kid out of picking up that. Okay. That was my last try kindling. See peanuts. Let's not go down that road. I don't even know. Okay, so here we are in the hospital life's coming back into her face. How soon before she's kind of herself again, like in her head. I used to hate ordering my daughter's diabetes supplies. I never had a good experience. And it was frustrating. But it hasn't been that way for a while, actually for about three years now, because that's how long we've been using us med us med.com/juice box or call 888721151 for us med is the number one distributor for FreeStyle Libre systems nationwide. They are the number one specialty distributor for Omnipod dash, the number one fastest growing tandem distributor nationwide, the number one rated distributor in Dexcom customer satisfaction surveys. They have served over 1 million people with diabetes since 1996. And they always provide 90 days worth of supplies and fast and free shipping. US med carries everything from insulin pumps, and diabetes testing supplies to the latest CGM like the libre three and Dexcom G seven. They accept Medicare nationwide and over 800 private insurers find out why us med has an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau at us med.com/juice box or just call them at 888-721-1514 get started right now. And you'll be getting your supplies the same way we do.

Melissa 16:49
Now that was it's been a long journey. I feel like it just took a while for her to come to grips with it.

Scott Benner 17:00
Yeah, so it was hard to accept. Yeah. Is that still going on to some level?

Melissa 17:05
Yeah, I think so. But it's I mean, it's way more I don't want to say like nonchalant but way more in the background, I guess now than it was, you know, two years ago. It's just been so like, up and down. So for example, she came home from the hospital, she was on 12 units of Lantis. And I think her carb ratio was one to 10 When we first came home, okay, he came home from the hospital. And the next day she went to swim practice, and not fully understanding what that was going to do to her, you know, like, like, it does, you can't just do 12 units Atlantis and a one to 10 carb ratio 24 hours a day when there's swim practice involved. You know what I mean? Like the activity level that she has going on every day makes things crazy on top of whatever else she had go on. So it was nuts. And like I was on the phone with the diabetes educator at our hospital every single day for almost an entire year, either on the phone or messaging with them. Was

Scott Benner 18:11
that because things just were not going the way you expected? And you and she's getting low from activity and that kind of stuff.

Melissa 18:17
Yeah, things were not going the way that I was we expected them to go at all and like even like sometimes our educator would be like, gosh, she is honeymooning so hard. Let me get back to you. I'll call you back like in an hour or whatever. Like, you know, it was always like a big like up in the air. I never felt like we could just nail something down and go with it.

Scott Benner 18:40
And she's MDI at that point.

Melissa 18:42
Yeah, she was for like six months. She was absolutely against a pump. What's at all at all? Like, no, don't even talk about it. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to see one. I don't want to think about it.

Scott Benner 18:55
Yeah. Do you ever look back? She's using a pump now. I assume? Yeah. What was the just that new thing? Like I don't want to something attached to me feeling?

Melissa 19:03
I think so. She just did not want anyone to know. She did not want anyone to talk about it. She did not want to be treated differently. She wanted to like pretend like it wasn't happening. I think she dealt with it. She was she's amazing with it. Yeah. But she doesn't want to discuss it.

Scott Benner 19:20
Okay. What about the other side of the like, that's how she handled the news and what's happening to her, but what about the stuff you saw with her being short with people falling asleep that all go away pretty quickly? Oh, yeah. Yep. So her personality came back. Her personality

Melissa 19:37
absolutely came back. Yeah, she stayed like a little bit more closed off because she had this new thing she didn't want anyone to know about but she was not rude and nasty anymore. You know, she did come back. She bounced right back.

Scott Benner 19:51
No more ignoring people. They're like so you're going on vacation. Leave me alone. Yeah, okay. So alright, so that all comes together. Now, looking at her insulin use now versus your honeymoon period. Is it significantly different?

Melissa 20:08
Oh, yeah. So we, like I said, we started at like 12 Lantis went to 10 carb ratio. And then she slowly within like a six month period went from point A was the what I just said to the endpoint in six months, she was on point five Lantis. So we're drawing it with a needle out of the pen. And like, one to 85 carb ratio, basically like,

Scott Benner 20:34
Oh, wow. Oh, wow. So she had like, like she was in DKA. has had a need that that's pretty, I mean, one to 10 and the insulin that what do you think she weighed a diagnosis, I know she weighed 83 pounds. Alright, so those, those numbers all just like kind of make sense. But then over the next couple of months, her needs dissipated significantly.

Melissa 20:59
And then disappeared. She went on the dash for about a month, she finally agreed to go on a pump. Because it was like, our the educator was like begging and begging, please go on the pump because it felt like sometimes she needed a little more basil. Sometimes she needed none. Like the point five was making her eat constantly, sometimes. So he was like, please go on this pump so we can get you the basil that you actually need when you need it. You know, so the dash, that was amazing. But it only lasted for like a month and she was going low for like 2448 hours straight. And he finally said take it off, take the pump off and let's see what happens. And she went without insulin for about eight more months.

Scott Benner 21:44
Okay, now, Melissa, this is what I'm going to ask you during that. Did you ever have that unreasonable feeling of oh my gosh, they were wrong. Three days? She didn't know that. Yeah. Okay. So tell me a little bit about that. Yeah.

Melissa 21:56
So I think that was what messed us all up. Because we were like, Okay. And everybody they made a mistake. It she she had this was like an acute type one diabetes simulation, because maybe she had COVID. And it's she's fine now. And I truly believed it. You know, like, I was like, they're wrong. It can't happen. I'm sure it can. I still listen to the podcast all the time. Because I knew in the back of my mind, I'm like, Okay, you're being crazy. You can't forget how all this works for when this does come back, basically, you know, and it did. It came back. And here we are. I think

Scott Benner 22:33
that it is one of the least talked about things about a honeymoon. That is the hardest to deal with. Is Yeah.

Melissa 22:42
And that's kind of why I never heard really anybody come on and really like hash that out. In it is bitch. Yeah. When it comes back, it was like, it was almost worse than the first time I would say it was almost like being diagnosed twice. Yeah,

Scott Benner 23:00
I had. I don't remember how long into Arden's diagnosis, it was if I'm being honest. But it might have been a fair amount of time. And I don't know what happened. But there was this one day that turned into two days, where Arden just did not need insulin. And I don't know what it was like we were feeding the tiny bit of basil that she was getting constantly. I wasn't injecting for food. And, you know, the first day you just feel like this is horrible. Like, because it just throws everything off. Yeah. And in the second day, I thought maybe she doesn't have diabetes. Yeah, yeah, maybe this was all been just a big mistake, and she doesn't have diabetes. And then moving into like, through that second day. I, you know, happened to know our pediatrician. And I had the wherewithal to say, I like when I call them, I knew how crazy I sounded. And, and I knew that I was just hoping. And I was like, I'm gonna say something to you. And then after I say it, you tell me I'm wrong and get me off the phone. And he and he goes, okay. And I was like, Arden hasn't used insulin in two days, and I don't think she has diabetes. And if you could hear sadness and silence. Oh, yeah, I could hear the sadness in his voice without him saying anything. Yeah. So anyway,

Melissa 24:26
I think we had like two endo appointments. Without insulin, you know, and they would like, make it a point to reassure me and be like, you know, this is it's coming back. Just we don't know when, you know, because they even were like, well, yeah, I don't know. But there's one other person we had that is kind of like this, you know, I felt like how can there only be one other? This is it. We're the one but yeah,

Scott Benner 24:53
exactly. The whole world experiences this in one way. We're gonna be the one and that's how Oh, desperate you are? Yeah, you know, like it just to be rid of it. Anyway, I think it's a thing a lot of people must go through. And I don't think it gets talked about a lot. And I don't think it's easy. So anyway, give it some voice here, and maybe it'll help people to know. Alright, so how long does this go on for?

Melissa 25:17
I feel like I will never forget how long this I think it was like eight months, though. It was a long, long time. So she's going into ninth grade. And at the beginning of eighth grade, it you know, it started to creep back in, like, I remember them saying, well, if she wakes up consistently, because she were her Dexcom the whole time still. So if she wakes up, you know, it consistently above 126, you know, three days in a row, call us. And I thought, okay, oh, my God. So this is like three days of dread. 121 2125 She's waking up at one, I think 150. And I was like, crap, I think, you know, I think this is it. And it just kind of like slowly crept in, while she started to like really kind of restrict carbs at that time to, which was not healthy.

Scott Benner 26:07
Oh, so was there a situation where she kind of got it into her head that she could stop the diabetes from coming? Yes. Sorry. Has that stuck to her as well? Did she develop an eating disorder or anything from it? We

Melissa 26:20
right away, called I, she right away had video therapy appointments. Because I was not ready to let that be like another obstacle that was going to be like a thing. So we really just like hit that hard. She was very resistant to that. But it helped a lot. And she just kind of like turned it right around and said like, hey, if it's common, it's common. So I'm

Scott Benner 26:45
glad because you can see where that would happen where you start to get it into your head. Like I could stop this. Oh, yeah, I

Melissa 26:50
even was, I mean, I hate to even admit, but I was like, I one foot on board. Like, let's try it, you know, but well,

Scott Benner 26:59
by the way, there's nothing wrong with like, in that situation, there wouldn't have been anything wrong with eating a lower carb diet to try to make things last a little longer. But you can't get that magical thinking in your head that you're going to somehow if you've eat few enough carbs never get diabetes.

Melissa 27:14
I know. And plus she like I mentioned, she's she's got swim practice two hours every single week day. You can't lean like she was starting to she's like, I'm I can feel that I'm not strong. And like, I think this is like not healthy.

Scott Benner 27:31
Yeah, you're not she wasn't eating probably right. Yeah, by the way. It's not like, however, you know, like a teenage girl is like, well, I'm going to limit my carbs and make sure my macros are right. And I really she was probably just eating low carb stuff that didn't have a ton of nutrition of it. And she's going backwards. So yeah. Oh, man, that sucks. When it finally happens, those three days in a row calm, you're over 125 You get back on insulin. How long does it take for her then to go to like an amount of insulin that you you see now and think of is normal? did happen quickly? Or was it still a slow transition?

Melissa 28:05
It's been a slow transition. I feel like I really don't know what wouldn't be normal, you know, for her age and her like, activity level and stuff. But it is a constant ebb and flow still to this day. She's on the Omnipod five, which is a absolute Godsend for what her situation is because she will go from I just looked on her controller like someday she's got six units of Basal. Someday she's got 13 units of basil. Wow. No kidding. Sunday, she uses 30 units total Sunday she used yesterday was 19. The day before was 30. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Benner 28:47
I is that wrapped around? Hormones Do you think?

Melissa 28:53
I think it's a combo of hormones and activity. Like as the week she has two hours of swimming every day, every weekday, and she's got the weekend days off. So as the week ramps up, her needs are less and less those days. And then the weekend hits and they're more and more and then it just flows back to needing less and less and then more and more like every seven days.

Scott Benner 29:19
That sounds like a great time. Yeah.

Melissa 29:22
So it's like I do have different basil profiles. I know I totally know that the basil and the correction factor and everything does not affect automated mode. Get it but we are flipping the manual mode all the time, especially on like Sunday when I'm deprived five isn't quite sure what the hell is going on. I can't catch up. Then I have like the least active Sunday Basal mode that we flip it to because

Scott Benner 29:51
her activity during the week goes way up, her needs go down and then the activity goes away her needs go back up and then it doesn't to the higher need You'd then she sits still doesn't have higher need. I gotcha. Okay. And

Melissa 30:04
then depending on when that pod change falls, it could be like one of those days where Sunday is like, amazing because she's like, I don't, it just depends. So we utilize every single feature that that Omnipod five friggin has to offer. Yeah, constantly

Scott Benner 30:21
I do things that I don't think it would occur to people, like if Arden has a pod change coming up. And she, for some reason is in a situation where her needs are less. I'm like, ooh, change your pod now, because new sites don't work as well. So maybe we'll get out of this low blood sugar by changing the pump here. Whereas I think most people would think of it as Oh, when I change my pump site, sometimes my blood sugar gets higher, and it's hard to bring down. But if you can coordinate that with a moment when you don't have this, I know it's, that's pretty, like specific. But after you do this for a while, you find ways to make all kinds of stuff like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

Melissa 30:57
we've we've done pad changes. I'm like, we'll change it. Right before?

Scott Benner 31:02
Yeah, like it just before swimming, because then it'd be like doing a Temp Basal down or something like that. Yeah. You just have to think about, it's hard sometimes to keep it all in your head. But there are ways to match up the impacts you're getting with variables, where they'll actually help each other instead of hurt each other. Yeah.

Melissa 31:21
And when that the pod, I'm like, ooh, we're on a roll. It's only Wednesday. We don't need much. Let's get it changed today, you know, or, I don't know. Yeah, I totally know what you mean. But we definitely work with it.

Scott Benner 31:33
The other day, I could see Arden's needs were going up because of hormones. She's home from school, and the pod was coming towards the end. And like the effectiveness, the effectiveness of the pod was waning, it was also fighting with the need, I'm thinking like, put a new pot on here. Like just do it a little sooner, this is a perfect time to get a fresh pot on because of the need. And I mentioned it and I got it, I got ignored, nobody listened to me. And then when we all paid the price later when her blood sugar shot up, because she ended up changing the pod like in the throes of this need. And then we had to like, then we had to put extra effort in, but had had we just changed the pod like eight hours earlier, we would have missed it. And I hope one day that Arden sees those things the way I see them, and I'm sure she will. But you know, for now, it was just a good experience. Like, like, an example. I guess, that um, that we could have done something differently that would have helped. So anyway, yeah, timing is huge. Yeah, it really is a big deal. What made you want to come on the podcast?

Melissa 32:39
Well, well, first of all, I love it. I have learned everything I know, basically, from your podcast, I think I've listened to those. Another thing I've had those math episodes like 820-820-1822 are the like golden gem. I use those all the time because I like actually, I haven't used them in a little I haven't changed her Basal rates in the manual mode in a little while, maybe like three weeks now. So I feel like maybe we're like nestling into a spot. But for since they came out, I have been changing her manual mode settings constantly. Like I wouldn't when she started on the Omnipod five, her settings, her carb ratio was like a one to 60 and her insulin sensitivity I think was 180. I want to say okay, so like it was so weak, everything, you know, anything would move her up or down. But now her sensitivity I think is 55. And her current ratio is six one to six. Okay. Yeah, so some days like, maybe like the carb ratio, we, I don't know. Like some days her Basal is like 3070. Some days, it's 5050. Some days, it's 4060. It's never actually very constant. But I feel like that's just because we were using every mode activity mode, auto mode, manual mode all day.

Scott Benner 34:10
I love how you're just like switch, switch. Go back. We do. Yeah. What's your best advice for going from manual back into auto? How do you do that without causing a problem?

Melissa 34:21
The reason why I would go into manual is if I know that her needs are like if we're going from a Sunday where she used like 35 units and it's a pad change and we're going to an activity Monday, she ain't going to need that and it's going to cause a lot of lows. So I go to manual and go to her highest activity Basal rate and let that go for a you know let that go for a day. I know that the pad is usually for like three it's sometimes we stay in manual mode for like three days straight. Okay, depending on when the pad changes, but I usually we go to auto mode at night. which is awesome because she would have lows almost every night because of her activity level. And she does not have lows at night, though. Like it keeps her some nights around 120 don't love it. But if we don't use man at all mode, then there's no Basal rate that will keep her because it changes every hour. You know, like in auto mode, some, like two hours in a row, nothing. The next hour, point three, the next hour point six, the next hour, nothing. How would we manage that? Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:33
I have to tell you, I think what I'm getting most out of this conversation loving is the kind of like joyous way that you're flexible, because I could see talking to a different person and have them say the thing is supposed to do this. And you know, just because we're throwing crazy variables at it all day long. I still I just wanted to keep up. No. And that might not be the case for everything. But I love how you're just like, look, it basically it's two tools. And one, I can use it like an insulin pump, like regular old in manual mode, I can go over to auto mode and do this. And I can make it work for our situation and you don't seem angry about it or like irritated. Why are you nice? What's going on? Well, I'm

Melissa 36:16
so grateful for it. Like Like I just said it night. How in the world would I even know what Basal rate to choose for her at night? Like, you know, like, it would be insane. I'd be up all night. I feel like trying to I'd be I'd be doing all the work myself.

Scott Benner 36:34
Yeah, don't worry, I've done that in the past. Before I have to.

Melissa 36:37
I mean, we've done that too. But it's just so like refreshing to know, okay, I know at night, even though it's going to keep her a little bit higher. Sometimes. I would rather that than have her be like at 40 because it's pumping out point six. And she didn't need that for the two hours in a row or something.

Scott Benner 36:57
I just liked the way that you kind of go with it. It's nice. Sometimes you hear people complain so much about things. And you know, I somebody the other day was like, my Dexcom never last and always last eight days or nine days. And I'm like, Oh, that's terrible. Like, you know what happens? Like you have to call the company and they replace it. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Like, okay. It's horrible. Like, like, what if they just told you it lasted eight days? Would you be happy then? Like, like it like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't? Yeah, I never know what people want. It's a it's a very unique situation, this idea of having diabetes, right from person to person to person. And yet these companies make these things that overwhelmingly work for such a wide swath of people. And it okay, you got to make some adjustments or figure out things. I don't know how you can be upset by that. Like, I think it's because they don't know the the alternative, maybe maybe they're newly diagnosed, they just don't. And that would make sense to me. But trust me, I'll put you on some like, regular and cloudy or something like that from the 70s. And see how quickly you're not thrilled if your Dexcom doesn't last 10 days or your pump has to go from manual to auto once in a while. It's just, it's interesting. I like listening to you talk about it.

Melissa 38:13
Oh, well. I mean, I don't actually mind talking about there was a point in time when I would never I couldn't talk about it without sobbing about diabetes in general. Yeah, just in general, just even thinking about it would just I would, I'm done. I'm over. I can't talk about it. I can't believe this. Why is this happening to my daughter? She doesn't deserve this. I'm over that. Like, I'm just so grateful that we have what we have. She went home actually. She went home with Dexcom from the hospital pharmacy. Yeah. I didn't even know it existed. But my husband is well, he was a football coach at the school that my son goes to. And one of his players, who is a police officer now has type one and was diagnosed right after high school. And he i My husband is like one of those guys who's like, Hey, I know a guy I got a guy and so he had a guy of course who he's like, Hey, wait a minute. I remember this guy's got type one diabetes and called him and he said get a Dexcom right away. So I like told the nurse while we were still in the hospital What about continuous glucose monitor? And she told us like there's a libre, there's a Dexcom which one would you like? Pick Dexcom went home with it. That guy came over that night. The night we got home and put it on her and yeah.

Scott Benner 39:39
Nice. Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool.

Melissa 39:41
Our our like, I hear so many people say that they their endos making them wait for this and wait for that. But ours was like as soon as you feel comfortable. Let's think about a pump. Like they did not want us to wait for anything. Yeah, they weren't saying no Dexcom they just I'd like yeah, sweet. Let's do it. Some,

Scott Benner 40:02
some doctors just, they have these arbitrary rules. And I think sometimes they come from insurance too. Yeah, possibly a good doctor says, Look, you know, I run into sometimes and insurance won't give people a whatever, if they haven't blah, blah, blah for six months or whatever. So they just, they don't bother doing it anymore. Meanwhile, other people have different insurance. So, you know, we're lucky, we're so lucky. Yeah. And they changed in them, the doctors end up changing their ideas about around the insurance, instead of just saying, Look, we should ask for this for everybody and let the insurances that will cover it cover it and the ones that don't won't, you know, but let's why are we getting away from talking about it? You know, I That's terrific. Good for you. Good for her actually having that right away. And she had that, but didn't want to pump right away. But she saw the value in the CGM. Is that right?

Melissa 40:55
Yeah, she Yeah, she saw the value in the CGM, she that you know, let her be more normal. I mean, she already had a phone course. So, you know, it was just nothing, just this tiny little thing. And she normally she would keep it on her arm, but with swimming every day. It's works a little bit better if she keeps it on her stomach. So she tries to keep both things on her stomach. But lately, her stomach has become a little bit sensitive. Okay. I don't know. But it works better. Just everything stays on better if it's like concealed under her suit.

Scott Benner 41:33
Yeah. What's the management like in the house? Like, are you helping? Is your husband helping? She's doing it by herself?

Melissa 41:40
She is at 50. She does. She does it by herself. She did all the shots by herself. I mean, the lady the nurse was in the hospital was like, okay, honey, talking to her. Like she was going to be like, all nervous. And she was like, I'm going to be doing this forever. You just give me the thing. And she just, you know, shot herself in the leg and never looked back. She's you know, I'm not a baby. I'm going to do this. It's fine. I'm not afraid. Just give me the thing. What about

Scott Benner 42:06
decisions about like the amounts of insulin or these things you're doing when you're going from manual to like Baba is that you? A

Melissa 42:13
lot of it is I'll text her, you know, and say switch to auto switch to manual, highest. So it's your lowest activity. You know, I will text her just that stuff. If she's not with me, but she manage it. I mean, she does most of it on her own. I don't like oversee. If she's going down for you know, breakfast or lunch. I tell her how many carbs are in her lunch, like at school. And I just put a little sticky note in her lunch. And then she does what she does. And sometimes they'll say, oh, maybe you did you underestimate? Did you not? You know, little questions like that. But yeah, she pretty much does it on her own. Sometimes she'll just like hand me the controller. And I know that she's done and she wants me to do it. You know, but for the most part, it's on her own. I oversee and you know, like, I'm a partner with her. But

Scott Benner 43:05
what about her Lowe's, she handles? She sees a low and stops it on her own or you get involved there?

Melissa 43:10
Yeah, I think so. Sometimes she says already did you know like, I'll text her and say to Skittles, she keeps getting her Skittles or her, you know, like low in her little bag. I'll say like, Hey, a couple Skittles. And she's like, already did you know? For the most part, sometimes she's like, wait, what? Why? You know, but Melissa, do

Scott Benner 43:31
you think she'll ever get to the age where and I'm quoting now? Oh, my God, chill T F out. Which I think means. And so because I got that text the other night.

Melissa 43:42
We're there we're at a point to like, the Oh my god. OMG I got it as just a stop sign. I get

Scott Benner 43:53
I haven't gotten that one yet. I love that. That's great.

Melissa 43:56
Or, like, if especially if it's in school, she doesn't have very many, very many lows really, actually. But you know, like in school, she's like, I can't text now. I'm talking on my watch, you know, or whatever. But it's like a partnership. I like my huge thing. I don't know if it's like overbearing or what but I like from the very beginning. You You don't have to do any of this alone. Like you. You need a break. Give it to me, I will do whatever you need or want me to do. I don't like expect her to I do it all if she if she wanted me to, you know, I would do every last drop of it if she wanted me to. I don't she's 14 she's got how many more years left to this. I'm fine doing it for her for now are with her. You know,

Scott Benner 44:42
I agree. I think it's a it's a thing that you can be helpful with along the way. I also think that I've talked to enough people, as adults who look back on their childhood and end up saying, I kept telling my mom I knew what I was doing, but I didn't and a will Yeah. And so I think that's important to keep in mind too. Yeah,

Melissa 45:02
I mean, like, I feel like it hurt being 12 diagnosis, it was like we learned it together wasn't like, you know, she was two years old like you. And she's not going to learn any of it, you know, how in the world, so it's just you, but we kind of like have been learning together. And it's just kind of like a joint effort.

Scott Benner 45:22
I guess. Can you tell me a little bit about how the podcast is helpful to you?

Melissa 45:28
Oh, my gosh, yes. First and foremost, I think it was like a mental. It just gave me some mental people like peace of mind. We know nobody. Well, besides the there's a police officer, you know, one of my husband's friends. But like, there's no kids that we know, nobody that she knows, has type one diabetes, or it has to deal with, you know, anything on the level that she's got to deal with it. We know of, you know what I mean? So and there's no parents who I can talk to or anything. So this is like, the community of people I don't know, but totally relate to, and just made me feel so much more like comforted, even though I don't know anybody, you know? Yeah. So just to hear, like parents struggle with it. And parents feeling guilty and doubting themselves. And along all the feelings I was feeling is just like made me feel so much. I don't want to say better, but just like less, beating myself up, I guess. And then just the knowledge, like when the Omnipod five episodes came out, so helpful. Listen to them. I don't even know how many times on my walk. My dog is like, lady, who is this guy? Because I would, you know, like, I don't really wear headphones on my walk. Just my phone's going in my pouch. And so he hears your voice every for an hour and a half every time we're walking. Just you want

Scott Benner 46:51
me to start telling him where to poop? Maybe we can get it all in one place. So the kids job will be.

Melissa 46:55
I would love it just right on the side of the house. All right over there. Go ahead. Yeah.

Scott Benner 47:01
Well, it will make you feel good to know this, then hold on one second. I am looking at an email that is setting up a meeting for tomorrow. And it says Hi, Scott, I hope things have been well with you. I don't want to use anybody's name. But I know you've been chatting with us about your next Omni pod series for the podcast. And things are coming together on our end. It's time to get together. We'd like to get your ideas and set up an outline for the conversation. So there's going to be more on the pod content coming next year. So yeah, I they found that very helpful, and so did a lot of people and those episodes have been downloaded a lot. So actually, those three episodes are collectively up to about 150,000 downloads.

Melissa 47:47
Oh yeah, because they're on their website. They're on the Omni pod. Like when you set up your Omnipod five. There you are.

Scott Benner 47:55
Yeah, isn't that weird? Because yeah, it's weird to me just say no.

Melissa 47:59
No, yeah. Well, I did. I did get my husband to listen to those episodes. My because my daughter went to Washington, DC. Oh my god, this was huge. She went to Washington DC with her school in June. And if you want, it's gonna probably make me sound like a nut in a bag. But we're talking like months and months of mental anguish over this. I was a ball of nerves for months leading up to this trip that she took. Because, I don't know. I was just so scared for her to go. And she killed it. She did awesome. Thanks to the Omnipod five. I mean, she ran a little higher than she would have at home but do that automated mode. Thank the Lord. So for that

Scott Benner 48:46
you just threw me off with not not in a bag? Because I'm like, is that a thing people say? So. Um, alright, so it is actually a crazy person, so a nutbag is a crazed male or female so I think you may have meant it made me sound like sound like enough back if you said that I wouldn't have paused I would just I

Melissa 49:08
am famous for screwing up like really easy to remember phrases so really probably supposed to be not back yeah,

Scott Benner 49:15
you're you're colloquially challenged? Yes. Oh, by the way. Oh my god, I'm gonna definitely name the episode colloquially challenged. But so nuts in a bag is a reference, but it's not what you meant. Yeah.

Melissa 49:32
Most people know by this. They know just know nobody mentions it. Sometimes I husband's like, oh my god, or I can't think of the word so I just like something comes out of my mouth. And usually like my husband and kids know what I meant, but they're just rolling their eyes. You just get it wrong a little bit. A little bit, actually, for whatever. Like trying to get situated for here. I was asking my son Where are your air pods? And I don't know what I said. But he poked his head out of the bathroom and said, Why is it so hard to say air pods? I have no idea what I even said.

Scott Benner 50:07
Alright, I don't know, I have somebody I'm related to who I want out here because I think people listened that would know this person. But they very frequently used words in the wrong places. And I, I love going, it's not what you meant. That's not the word you're meant. I know. I

Melissa 50:27
know what I meant. Yeah,

Scott Benner 50:28
I know what you're trying to say. That word doesn't mean that my

Melissa 50:32
husband's line he just is like, that's not what that means. You just move along. Like that. You know what I mean?

Scott Benner 50:41
That's fantastic. Anyway, there's also some dirty phrases here about nuts in a bag. I don't want to tell you about but you meant not that. Guess what I'm saying? Crazy Lady. Yeah. So she you were really nervous to send her away? Obviously, young shouldn't be by herself. But it went really well. Yeah,

Melissa 50:56
it went really, really? Well. Yeah, she had a blast. And we just did the manual mode, auto mode, this Faisal that basil, are you walking right now? Are you you know, that kind of thing? Well, and

Scott Benner 51:08
if you didn't do that, just on that trip, do you think she would have been okay, just left it in auto? Do you think it would have been fine to? Probably

Melissa 51:14
but my anxiety levels? Well, yeah, I have very hard time with the numbers on the Dexcom. And just letting things go sometimes, like, you'll probably cringe, but let's say it's 150. Let's say it's 150. And I will say to her, correct. And she's like, Oh my God, it's fine. You know, like, and then I won't know if she's going to if she corrected or not. Because to her, she would rather be 150 than correct and go low.

Scott Benner 51:44
Yeah, I wouldn't want her to go low. But I also understand what you're saying. Like if I saw if I saw a stock 150 Like, it doesn't make me cringe. Like I'm not cringing when you're thinking about it. But it did put me in my own head, I would be like, hey, this, whatever we're doing is not working right now. So you need more insulin here. We have to break this number is how I would put it. And back in the beginning. Like I won't lie to everybody. Most of back in the beginning, I would see the number and think, okay, yeah, because then there's going to be complications, and you're going to die. And it's going to be my fault. And like, you're not going to be happy. And like, I get that. The truth is as it moves on 150 for a little while. It's not the end of the world. But staring at it for hours and hours and hours is not necessary, either. So you gotta find a middle. I'm trying to make my podcast but the world's coming to an end outside. Hold on a second. What? In that give me Hold on a second. Unbelievable, Melissa, do they not know what I'm doing here? I'm making a living

Melissa 52:42
by How dare this thing? No, no, hold

Scott Benner 52:45
on. So I think this is the I don't know what this is an indication of. But there's a piece of machinery outside right now. Going down the street picking up people's like lawn scraps. And this piece of machinery is overkill to say the least I believe it could be used to knock over a house. But instead it's picking up brush so it'll be gone in a second. And I think that people in my township overspent on this thing 100,000,000% Like you know when you're like you look at your fire department and they have like this like amazing ladder truck that goes up like 200 feet and you think we don't have any buildings at all. Why

Melissa 53:24
did they buy it you're driving in this pothole, pothole.

Scott Benner 53:28
Take the ladder truck money and fill the potholes. Would you please yeah. And meanwhile, I'm watching three people watch the machine pick up the stuff and I'm thinking if they were helping, you wouldn't need a machine the size of a mountain to do this. Instead of them just all standing and staring at it while it is so loud. Can you hear it? Or no? I can a little bit. Yeah. But it's insane how loud it is. I wish I could describe to you the earthmover that is outside of my my residential home right now. Like I don't live in the middle of nowhere like Melissa, wherever you're at. I don't know. You're like God's country there. Where are you at exact not exactly, but like, right.

Melissa 54:08
We are I mean, I don't mind your Midwestern. Yeah, we're I've Michigan. Yeah, it's not. I feel like I don't hear very many people from here. Like I don't know anyone. I feel like nobody says they're from here. We don't know anybody. Like Are we the only people we can't be because it takes me. I know there are other people and I

Scott Benner 54:31
just recorded with Robin the other day. She's a an adult with type one and she lives in northern Michigan. She has like a lot of property and everything.

Melissa 54:39
Oh, you know what I do know someone I totally forgot. And I just I just told him about your podcast. And he for his son. Yeah, we went to high school together. It's a son. That's right. Well, they were diagnosed right around the same time he's a few years younger but he was on vacation and needed a something about the T slim and got it nice through the pipe. Cast I was he was like, thank you so much for telling me. I

Scott Benner 55:03
just want to give you an update, we've now used 37 gallons of diesel fuel and four people's man hours to move what looks like an amount of brush that my father would have just lit on fire and made go away. But he can't do that anymore because bad for the air.

Melissa 55:18
Is it one of the as everybody gets like hanging on to the side of it as it drives away? Oh, no,

Scott Benner 55:23
you're not imagining a large enough piece of equipment. There's a thing out there that if a war broke out, they would probably use this to help fight is is how big it is. And it is backing up and going forward and backing up. And going forward by three people are just he's now trying to pick up four branches with a machine that's meant to like knock over like concrete. And it's too delicate of an operation. And if one of them would bend over, pick the branch up and throw it. This would have been over a while ago. But instead, it's still happening. And it's such a motor like it's vibrating my chest. I know you can't the microphones doing a good job of keeping it down. But it's still like what are they? when it takes off? It's going to sound like a spaceship leaving I think I seriously don't understand what's happening. I don't have time to get involved in local politics, Melissa, but if I did, I would start right here with this.

Melissa 56:19
Like take a picture of this right here. What is this

Scott Benner 56:23
could have handled two guys in a pickup truck and instead there is an earthmover

Melissa 56:30
send my son over he can pick a kid

Scott Benner 56:32
picks up crap like a like a champ. He could definitely do this though. So anyway, all right, hold on. Oh, we're getting towards the end. So let's make sure we do everything you love me. That's important to mention. The podcast has been really helpful for you. That's cool. You're a little anxious. Do you think that's gonna get better?

Melissa 56:50
Yeah, it has gotten so much better.

Scott Benner 56:54
Good. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah, it's not gonna stay like that. getting better and better, I

Melissa 56:58
think. Yeah, you know, Oh,

Scott Benner 56:59
hold on the things back. It's backing up now. Oh, good. Amazing. What is I am I'm gonna go look one more time. Hold on up your back. Okay, it looks like they're done. They've, by the way back traffic up on the street that doesn't have traffic on it. So that's how long they've been out there

Melissa 57:14
now. Oh, you can't even get by it. It's

Scott Benner 57:16
that big to drive around? I'm almost I feel like you're not listening to me this thing. The man driving is 19 feet off the ground? Oh, my God, that's hilarious. I don't I don't know. How did that happen? It's almost like they it's like when you find like a local police department and they have a SWAT team. All of a sudden you're like, what did you need a Humvee for? We got the budget like, Oh, okay. Okay, sorry. Your anxiety? I think it's something that's really obviously comes to most people in the beginning. And oh,

Melissa 57:56
yeah, I can imagine but but it should.

Scott Benner 57:59
The way I think about it as your experiences build on each other. And you get more and more confident. And you see things work more and more times like that stuff should go if it's not, you should talk to somebody but like, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to everybody. But if but it should dissipate over time. Once you start getting some, you know, certainty, I guess.

Melissa 58:20
It's like one of those things where people say, Oh, it's it'll get better. And I'm just like, screw you know, it won't. How could this get better? Yeah, you know, there's no way. But here we are

Scott Benner 58:32
someone online the other day said something about does it make you sad to see a device on a child? And it makes me sad all the time when I see whatever they were talking about. Oh, my kid. And think

Melissa 58:42
I might have seen that. Yeah. And it was a little kid on a couch.

Scott Benner 58:45
Yeah. And it was a big thing. Like it went on for a while a lot of people got involved. I jumped in. I was like, hey, that won't bother you after a while, like, I don't know,

Melissa 58:54
sharing that exact statement. And like I scrolled right through and thought, yeah, you're right. It won't. I mean, yeah, it's sad. But also like, in my now I can't even believe I'm saying this. But yeah, it's sad. But look at what you have, like, you got all these things to help you out there. You've already got them on your kid. You got the pad and the Dexcom you know, awesome. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 59:19
think it's very reasonable.

Melissa 59:21
I can't imagine like, first of all, I can't imagine if my daughter was younger, because and I just feel like it would I would have been so much not to say so much more sad. Is that horrible to say? Because she was 12 but, like, maybe too young to like, communicate about it, you know, just like this is happening to you. You have no idea oh my gosh, this is like 20 times more awful. Whereas she was able to like we learned together like I said, you know, which I feel like we like had each other.

Scott Benner 59:50
I think I think what happens is that no matter when this occurs in your life, there are different reasons to be sad and different in different reasons to be hope. polling, there's things that you can point to, like, Here, watch. My daughter was two. So a lot of the stuff we did, she didn't really know about, like, she didn't know she had diabetes, like she's just how things were. So that is a positive way, if you juxtapose that against a 12 year old, who lived 12 years without diabetes, now suddenly having to do all these things and understands contextually, but you can flip those things around and make the arguments in reverse. You know, and so the truth is, is nobody wants diabetes, and it sucks. And there are things that are better or worse about it, depending on the age when it happens. But to judge it all against itself is it's kind of always

Melissa 1:00:38
Yeah, like, it's the weird thing where you're all like, the same in the same boat, but maybe like in the same water, but in different boats, you know, think about any way you want waving at each other like you, okay, kinda you, I

Scott Benner 1:00:52
think some of it's not within your control, like, you know, to see, like, I didn't want my daughter to have a pump, because that's like, we can't put something on her. Everybody has that thought, you know, and then once you do it, and you're like us isn't a big deal. And it really helps in a lot of other ways. So cool. And then one day, you're just accustomed to it, it's no big deal, or, you know, somebody will get online and be like, I can't believe that my XYZ expired when I was trying to, please, you'll just get used to that. It'll be part of what you do. And it won't be a big deal at one point. And you'll learn to like appreciate the fact that your life is I don't know how to say this exactly. But you got to be able to do hard things in life. And sometimes chat challenges are really like what make you I'm not saying I wouldn't give away a different I prefer a different challenge that didn't involve health. But yeah, like, come on. Yeah, yeah. It's also not up to you. So you got this thing. And then from there, you can decide to meet it head on, and let it make you grow. Or you can decide to let it run you over. Yeah, and do the other thing. And for the people in between who have actual, you know, issues that where they can't create that kind of like resistance, then you you you hope they find help and find other people to help prop them up while they while they figure out a way through it. But for most of most people, you get to decide how you react to things. So, you know, anyway, yeah,

Melissa 1:02:19
I guess as with everything, you know,

Scott Benner 1:02:21
it's up to you mostly.

Melissa 1:02:24
Give it a shot? No.

Scott Benner 1:02:26
I mean, you might as well go for it. It's better that way than the other way. I mean, if you've got a choice to make make the choice that might end up with, you know, some positive outcomes. I think,

Melissa 1:02:37
yeah, that's a work. I mean, it's easier said than done. It takes a lot of work to feel that way and think that way, I think you know, and actually do it.

Scott Benner 1:02:45
If you're a dumb boy like me, you just just be like, You got rocks in your head, you just say I'll do it. Don't worry, I'll be fine.

Melissa 1:02:51
I know I'm an over thinker. So yeah, I don't

Scott Benner 1:02:54
think about enough. I don't think about anything enough to be upset about for too long. The key to life is to just be like a boy and just go it'll be alright. And go. No, I wish and wish or not, but I'm sure there are women to think like that, too. Oh, God, is somebody gonna be upset by that? You know what I mean? Stop it. Disclaimer. There's just sometimes you can get to in your own head, I guess is the way you can think about it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Anyway. All right, Melissa, this was terrific. I really appreciate you doing this with me. Well,

Melissa 1:03:26
thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you doing that with me too, especially since I messed it up. I think it was maybe last week. I have to admit,

Scott Benner 1:03:33
my schedule is so busy that you popped up today. And I created the file. And I was like, I already have this file. Like why do I have a file with his name on it? Now I'm like picking through my email. I'm like, Oh, this was rescheduled like days ago, and then I'm like, I'm not gonna show you gonna show. I'm like, I must have done this. How do I not remember this? What did happen the other day I forget. I'm

Melissa 1:03:57
a paper and pencil planner person. And I wrote it down for the eighth. I don't know why. That's right. I wasn't

Scott Benner 1:04:06
I texted you. I'm like, Hey, you're gonna get on this and you're like, it's on the eighth and I'm like, It's not

Melissa 1:04:10
okay, and listen to this one. So I don't even remember when I made this schedule this long time ago. Right? How many months ago and every like month I put it down in the bottom of my notes until I got to like right in August. Like I just kept putting it to the next month so I've seen this date like for months, because I just I can't forget to put that in August. Thank

Scott Benner 1:04:35
you very consistently wrote down the wrong date. That's excellent.

Melissa 1:04:38
Yes, that is my life right there. In a nutshell so prepared but so unprepared I

Scott Benner 1:04:45
wish I could ask you just general sayings that you get wrong. Do you have any I

Melissa 1:04:49
couldn't even think of one right now. I know like I was trying to like real quick think before when we were talking about it, but I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:04:56
I thought that just just from your personality. I thought she's not gonna even be But to like recant the ones that she gets wrong. No, that's great. That's fantastic. All right. Well, Melissa, I again, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it. Okay, thank you. Hold on one second. Okay.

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