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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1101 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today on the show I'm speaking with Carrie she's 47 years old diagnosed at 21. And she's never really had anyone to rely on for managing except for her doctors. Carrie heard Mike on episode 531 and was inspired. And now today, she's here on the Juicebox Podcast sharing her story. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox Podcast private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, but everybody is welcome type one type two gestational loved ones. It doesn't matter to me. If you're impacted by diabetes, and you're looking for support, comfort or community check out Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook

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Kerry 2:16
so I'm Carrie, and events type one diabetic for 21 years now. Wow. I'm ready to get going. Let's go.

Scott Benner 2:25
You want to start talking? Yeah, let's go like it every once in a while. So I was you know, give people a little talk up the people listening to the podcast don't hear it. I'm like, you know, so just introduce yourself anyway. You want to be known, like 20 minutes later there. And then when I was in fourth grade, my God. Like I said, we gotta we know who you are. Thanks. But I like this briefer. Okay, Carrie, you know, that's a name I have trouble pronouncing because of my accent. Yeah, I

Kerry 2:50
get that a lot. So I grew up in the South. And now I live in the Midwest and have most of the folks I work with are in New England. And I'm pretty consistently told that my name is spelled incorrectly for how I say it. So.

Scott Benner 3:07
is it in your heart? Is it carry like care, but with a que? Is it curry like a hard K? Like no, it's

Kerry 3:15
like, I guess, carry? Yeah, I don't know. It's to my name.

Scott Benner 3:22
You've never even thought about it. sounds like to me, it sounds like to me, you're saying care. But with more with a case sound correct? Yes. And if I was going to say if I looked at your name, I'd say curry. Which obviously isn't correct either, because that would be cu RR y. But

Kerry 3:42
it's neither here nor well. It was named after a boy. So that makes it even more concerning. So

Scott Benner 3:46
how can we are how does that happen?

Kerry 3:49
The story that I've been told forever is that my mom thought that her sister in law's boyfriend at the time was very cute. And I think his name happened to be Carrie. So there we are. Yeah, go figure.

Scott Benner 4:06
Is there no dad in the room helping with this decision?

Kerry 4:09
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. There was a dad. Yes. But I, you know, I'm gonna say something funny, easygoing, so he just let it fly. Fine.

Scott Benner 4:19
I'll just say something here because no one's ever gonna hear it in my family. My sister in law, once named her dog the same name as one of my nieces. And they never saw anything like, like, my sister in law was like, what? It's a great name. And I'm like, it's, it's her name. Like, you can't name your dog after her. And she's like, I'm not naming it after I just like the name. I'm like, I don't think you're seeing this from everyone's perspective. Right? So in family events, she's, you know, calling for her dog and everyone's like, Oh, yeah, that's right. Her dogs the same as that girl over there. Who had the name by the way for a very long time. And before you named your dog that it was just fast. I don't know. Yeah, that's

Kerry 5:02
uncomfortable. The boyfriend went away before I was before I was here. So yeah, that would have been weird.

Scott Benner 5:09
It wasn't still trying to date your mom. No. Well, it's

Kerry 5:13
her sister Sister. My dad's sister. So yeah, it was

Scott Benner 5:17
weird. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so you've had diabetes for 21 years. How old are you?

Kerry 5:22
I am. Gosh, this isn't very 47. I was diagnosed when I was 21. Sorry, I did the math for you there, Scott. So

Scott Benner 5:30
what happened? Did you like were you doing the math instead of just answering the question?

Kerry 5:34
No, I never know how old I am. It's like always in. Yeah. Oh, 76 is a hard year to like figure out math. So my

Scott Benner 5:43
brother was born in 76. There you go. You just asked me how old my brother was. I could have told you how old you were. Well. I find a kindred spirit with you. I I know I say it a lot. But I never like this year. I've known how old I am for some reason. But in pre in the past three years, I've never been right about my age. I don't I don't know what that is. Okay, so you've had diabetes for 21 years. You were diagnosed when you were you said you said you've had died? You said

Kerry 6:14
no. I was diagnosed when I was 21. So sorry, I messed it up all together.

Scott Benner 6:19
Because I just did the math. I added 21 and 21. And that's 42. So are you 40

Kerry 6:24
between the two of us, Scott, I don't know. We're gonna get through this.

Scott Benner 6:27
I'm gonna be fine. You're coming off like a crackpot. If

Kerry 6:31
you only do Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:34
All right. You know what? I just figured out? What's that? I don't care. So when? What makes you want to come on the

Kerry 6:43
podcast? Honestly, Mike from 531. So so how I got to this appointment with you today is you did a Facebook Live, I don't know six months ago. And Mike happened to be on and he spoke. And as soon as he spoke, it was like, oh my god, it's mine. I'm gonna start crying.

Scott Benner 7:11
Oh, Carrie, why what was so impactful about hearing Mike's voice?

Carrie, should I have joked about your age a little longer? Maybe? Sorry. That was the longest cry pause we've ever had on the podcast. I appreciate if you can shorten that if you need to. No, no, no, you're misunderstanding my perspective. This is good. Don't worry, cry more. It's

Kerry 7:38
good for and, and if you knew me that you'd know that. This is not a thing for me. So, um, so So Mike goes on. And so I immediately once I heard him talk, I reached out in the chat and I was like, Are you? Are you the mic? And he was like, yes. And so we have a little bit of back and forth. And then afterward, I reached out to you. And I was like, you know, just thank you for having that.

Scott Benner 8:08
It's okay. It's sorry. Have your feelings. We'll figure it out. Don't worry. Let me ask you why it's so important. So, you know, so what did happen? What did what what's happened in your life that hearing? Because for people who don't know, Mike's episode, is a lot about his complications of which he has, he has many. And at some point, it sounds weird for me to say it, but at some point, he explains how much the podcast has helped him and even helped slow down or put a stop to some of his progression of some of these problems. And then when you talk to Mike further, you realize that he has other issues coming and he knows it. You heard him on the podcast, is that right? Yep.

Kerry 8:51
So I started listening and fall of 2021 I guess,

Scott Benner 9:00
is that when you were 21 years old? Yeah.

Kerry 9:02
Everything is all 21 Right. So you know pandemic was going on and I've exhausted every true crime pad podcast out there in decided that, you know, maybe I should try to learn something instead of just listening to all this stuff bomb trying to work. So Google that found you. I think the I think I might have started with Episode one listened to a few and then it was like, Alright, let me just like, open this app up and and scroll around, and I saw the after dark and I was like, Well, that sounds cool. So I mean, his episode was probably like the fifth. I mean, definitely less than 10 episodes that I listened to. And, you know, he's talking and it's, it's, it's not too emotional at the beginning, but then he starts digging into it, and I was so mad because I have some of the stuff and nobody even said that it was diabetes. Nobody said, Hey, your do produce contractures is because you're not doing your shit and you're not taking care of yourself. Nobody said, Hey, your frozen shoulder, this is part of that is like, it's all separate doctors, and nobody is saying, nobody's connecting the dots.

Scott Benner 10:29
So you're having a number of issues that Mike reported having. But in your life, no one said, you know, your blood sugars are too high. That's why these things are good. No,

Kerry 10:38
no. So and you know, don't, my my issues are not to that, to his extent. And my dad also has problems with his hands that are very similar. He's never been diagnosed, not a big fan of, you know, hanging up the doctor. He's just kind of dealt with it. So it was just kind of like, well, it's just hereditary. And, you know, here's what we might can do. And so, so it is what it is with that, but and then the frozen shoulder just, you know, I, I thought I had done something to my, like, my rotator cuff or something. And I went to see someone and he looked at me, and he was like, oh, yeah, you're, you know, middle aged white woman, you have frozen shoulder. And I was like, well, thanks. Thanks for the recognition. But you know, but but nobody, nobody connected it. Yeah. And so I mean, it was like, it was a moment for me to hear that episode. And be like, what, you know, what is happening? Like, why is nobody? Why is nobody grabbing me by the shoulders and saying, What are you doing? Because at that point, I mean, I'm early for days, and I've been dealing with this for a long time, you know, and I get through, I've been on a pump for a long time, and, you know, not doing great, but just kind of floating around, bouncing off the bottom, you know, and the doctor, you know, in their defense, I guess I don't give them what they need. So they can't give me what I need. But you know, now that I'm doing better than no better, they're still not really giving me what might what I need. So I kind of took that back off my shoulders. But

Scott Benner 12:25
let me ask you a couple of questions. Sure. So you've already named the episode unless you do something better than bounce off the bottom, that was pretty good bouncing off the bottom. But how would you characterize your understanding of what your care should be like, versus what your care was, like, like, what I should be getting from the doctor, no, for you for our

Kerry 12:46
cover me out. CO so and this is, this is tough, too. Because there's, there's a lot that plays into it. But I, I would go through waves, you know, kind of, I'm going to want to grab this by the balls, you know, I'm going to I'm going to do everything I'm supposed to do, I'm going to do everything they tell me to do. And I'm going to be better and leave the office or, you know, try to start. And it's like, I only had half the information for so long. Like, here's your carb ratio, put it in, you know, for a long time, there was no talk of even Pre-Bolus thing. But the outcomes were just terrible. Like, nothing worked. Like I could do everything that I was told to do for weeks and months. And, you know, I'd have terrible lows. I'd be too high. You know, there was no rhyme or reason to it. Yeah, you know, that I could see. And no help really, you know, you go in, you hand them your pump. And they'd be like, Oh, maybe we should tweak this. But you know, I'm giving them Bush numbers, you know, what are they going to do?

Scott Benner 14:01
So you will, you're lying to them. And they they probably weren't going to be helpful, even if you're giving them the good, the good information. But tell me a little bit about the cycle out what to know about the psychology of, of lying to the doctor about things,

Kerry 14:17
you know, it goes back to, you know, first few years of diagnosis where you're taking in paper logs, and you know, it looks horrible, because I might have been, I might even though I might have been testing. I wasn't writing down and you know, the meters sucked at that point. So you couldn't even like go back in your meter. And then if you did, it was like, Oh, I don't want to tell her I hit 340 that day. So I'll just forget my meter in the car and take my forge half assed paper logs and then share that and see what happens.

Scott Benner 14:50
So so you're getting the 340 but the doctor thinks it's I don't know. What was the good what was the good lie? Was it 200 MB

Kerry 14:59
In Yeah, it wasn't anything crazy, I think, you know, the lowest number I was writing down would be, you know, 131 40.

Scott Benner 15:08
But then you ask for help, and then they, they can't base it off of anything.

Kerry 15:14
Let's be honest, I didn't really ask for help was like, just give me my prescriptions. I mean, I got to where it was like this, you know the words you hate everybody to say this is just diabetes, what is yeah, I'm gonna I'm going to do what I do you know, when you when you're going to pee and you look at the color of your PD to see if you need the Bolus is like probably not a good indicator of what needs to happen. So, especially now that I know that it really doesn't matter.

Scott Benner 15:43
A lot of times I wasn't helping either. No, no,

Kerry 15:47
but and you know, I wasn't doing terrible. I mean, the last, I would say 10 to 15 years I've been writing in anywhere from seven to eight, before I before I found you so you know not 1112 Yeah,

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Kerry 17:36
My lows are pretty few and far between for a long time, actually last couple years way more lows as I tried to try to get tighter and tighter control but but yeah,

Scott Benner 17:46
so you think it was pretty accurately a seven or eight a one say you were high? Steadily high.

Kerry 17:52
So I think for years, it was more common for me during the during the day at least to be 150 to 220 to 30 ish. I feel like when I was testing in the mornings, so my my testing routine had gotten pretty pretty dialed in and that I tested in the in the morning when I woke up and then may or may not test when I got home from work and then would would pretty much always test before bed just to make sure where I was but that was it.

Scott Benner 18:26
Yeah. Were you covering meals most of the time? Okay. Yo, did you always take your Basal? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Can you Ferny? Do you have any meaningful understanding of why you weren't more focused on it?

Kerry 18:42
I've tried to go through this in my head for the last couple of years, like how did I get to where I was mentally. So I have a daughter who's who's eight, who's now 18 and been married to my husband for 23 years that math is easy.

Scott Benner 19:01
Painful years are easy to count.

Kerry 19:04
No, 2000 is easy. So he's older than I am. And you know, for a long time I made the bad joke about, you know, you're going to be you're going to be deaf, I'm going to be blind and in a wheelchair, we're going to be great together as we as we age together. And it's kinda like, it's sounds really, really horrible to say, but I kinda like just made the decision that, you know, I'm just going to catch up to him. And we're going to be old and in broke down together at the same time, even though he's 17 years older than I am. Is

Scott Benner 19:44
that just the way you Is that something you use to make yourself feel better about your trajectory?

Kerry 19:50
It's kind of just what I resolved to be like, well, it's gonna be okay, cuz we'll still you know, we'll just I I don't even know, Scott,

Scott Benner 20:01
we'll all go down together is that ability? Go down? Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't have a lot of hope for your ability to manage things. And but did you not understand it? No,

Kerry 20:16
I see that mean, I did. But so a perfect example would be when I tried to, I went on the Medtronic, The Guardian sensor, to try to, you know, figure it out, whatever, but, so, try to be super tight. And all the things that nobody talks about, like, I never didn't tell the doctor, hey, on Friday nights, you know, when I come home from work, or you're gonna go to dinner in I usually have a couple beers. If people come over on Saturday, you know, I'm, I have a couple of beers, but like, nobody really explained, ever. What alcohol did so come home, you know, few days into it. First of all, the alarms were that thing where it was a nightmare, and it hurts so bad, but I'm plowing through. And so I have fear has carbs, I Bolus that's not the right thing to do. So really bad. You know, don't even understand why this is happening. Because nobody, you know, I didn't ask, but nobody's really ever said, Hey, listen, you know, don't do this, if you do that kind of. So, you know, I feel like I thought I was doing what everybody was doing. Because that's the other thing is like, still, I don't know, anyone. There's no one in my life. That has type one. No one. No one in my family. No one that I know. So it wasn't even like, I could call up somebody and be like, dude, what is happening? Like, I just,

Scott Benner 22:00
you know, you were just existing in Yeah, in a bubble with Yeah. And you were I'm guessing, somewhere between ashamed and guilty about what you were doing. So you lied to the doctor, the doctor wasn't going to be any help, then you couldn't. There's no way to turn to. And you're alive every day. So you don't you don't really think you're doing poorly. Right? Yeah.

Kerry 22:23
And I don't I don't feel bad. I don't. You know, there are some days and tired but I don't know.

Scott Benner 22:31
This just must be what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So say you live how long like that.

Kerry 22:39
21 years. Everything.

Scott Benner 22:41
By the way? Maybe? Maybe the title was? Maybe the title should be blackjack. Maybe? notes for myself? Um,

Kerry 22:51
no, no, I would say, you know, I count the the time. When I was in the I like, I didn't I mean for 97 till 2003 2004 I guess is when I went on the pump. Try to get better control so that we could get pregnant. That MDI time period was really just like I got no idea what I'm doing but still my A onesies were I mean, I think when I first went in to start talking about pregnancy, my A onesies were stills, sevens, low eights. So

Scott Benner 23:36
I have a question. I always have the same question. When I hear this. When someone says to you, your body is not a place where we want to grow a baby because of your health. You don't think oh, I should change that for me. You think I should change that? So I have I can have a baby.

Kerry 23:54
I don't even know that. I mean, I guess it was set that way. But not that way. It was more like, alright, you can do this. We just need to get you in tighter control before you start trying. It wasn't like it was the way I hear it because I'm pretty much like a it although it might not have sounded like it so far. I'm not generally a sky as falling type person. It's just like, okay, it'll be alright. We'll get

Scott Benner 24:20
it. Okay. So your question. That's a good, that's a good thing to look at. So this sort of eternal optimism allows you to ignore things that are going wrong. Correct. Yeah. Because, because now is that ignorance like blissful ignorance? Or is that? Is that a genuine feeling of like, the sun will come out tomorrow? I'm gonna be Yeah,

Kerry 24:41
yeah. And I get that from my father. It's definitely like, we'll figure it out. Oh, it's harsh, flat. Oh, the other tires flat. Oh, I don't have a spare. I don't have a phone. It's okay. We'll figure it out.

Scott Benner 24:52
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Kerry 25:59
Well, in my case, we just shimmy down the side and swim swim across. It's fine. We'll get across

Scott Benner 26:05
it says it's kind of like they're different ways of thinking really? Yeah, yeah. Yep. Okay, so is there ever a moment where you say where you say to yourself? I'm not okay. Or is it literally happening when you hear Mike talking on the

Kerry 26:21
podcast? It's literally happening when Mike is talking. I say, Okay, there's a moment. It still is a moment every time I listen to it.

Scott Benner 26:30
So yeah. Do you go back and re listen to it? I have a few times. Why? What draws you back to it?

Kerry 26:36
A couple of times it was because I was sharing it. You know, I shared it with my husband. My daughters listened to it with me. Yeah, I don't know.

Scott Benner 26:47
You just like to hear it again. Yep. Does it remind you to stay focused? Or do you not have? I'm,

Kerry 26:53
I'm, I'm focused. So he just seems like a really great guy.

Scott Benner 27:02
So okay, so you hear that? Your reaction is anger first? Yes. Like, why did somebody not tell me about this? Yes. Do you then start thinking? Uh, wow, there's something I could do to impact this? Yes. All right. And then what are your What are your steps that you take them? So I

Kerry 27:20
was already pretty well, you know, only only a few episodes, you know, couple, two, three episodes. I was already like, you know, coming home and saying, Hey, I just listened to the, this is crazy, like to my husband. And I guess just to step back a little bit, like a husband and my daughter, both obviously aware of my diabetes and some of the struggles but again, it's not like a they don't know, I don't really know, they don't really know, you know, like, oh, you need some more insulin. You know, my husband could give me a Bolus on my pump if he needed to they you know, I'm not hiding anything. But it's also not like a topic of conversation. Listen to a couple of shows town Mike's episode. And then history with the doctor, you know, supposed to go every every quarter, I was going maybe twice a year, skip appointments, in my prescription would come up and be like, Well, I have to go or they're not going to write a prescription, which I find ridiculous. But listen to Mike's episode. And I would say if it wasn't the next day, it was within a week. I didn't call the doctor, I went to the doctor into the office. During code, it's still a little bit and went to the went to this to the lady and said, I need the next cancellation appointment that you have. And she's like, you have an appointment in like, two months or whatever it was. So this was September, September, October of 2021. And I was like, No, but I need to get in. I need to I need I need to get in. I need some changes. And she said okay, so she was like, You're not going to believe this. But we have an appointment this Friday. And I said, Great. I'll take it in. So I took it and I went and I walked in the office and I said I'm done with this pump. I want to Omni pod and I want to Dexcom and the first thing they said was loop is not FDA approved. And I said I didn't say loop. I said I went to Omni pod and I wanted Dexcom and she was like well, we can get you the Dexcom and then there was like silence and I said and Omni pod. And she was like, Well, I mean, have you really looked at it. And I said I was adamant like this. No, I'm telling you What I want. So she put me in touch with the local rep and get the ball rolling. But General consensus, after listening for all this time is I guess they don't bring the right bagels. I don't know what the problem is, but no love for the Omni pod in the office. So

Scott Benner 30:16
the girl that brings all the great pens, she sells the Medtronic. Right? So could you just take that, please? Because I love the way the pen writes. And it just the ink really flows out of it. Well, would you like one? Yeah, no, I have a pen from Medtronic.

Kerry 30:32
Yeah, and so just to step that back. So I was also kind of upset that I had been asked, I don't know, maybe a couple of times in the office. Do you want you know, there's a new CGM, you know, beyond a Dexcom? I would say, you know, I did the, I think it was the guardian. I can't remember the name of it. I just remember how bad it hurt is that I have that I'm good. And that was the end of the conversation. And I feel like that is not a service. There should have been more from their ends to say, like, No, you need to try it. It's different, like nothing. And it's like, Do you not want to say something? Because it doesn't hurt like the other product? Like, I don't know what, but it was like,

Scott Benner 31:21
like, you felt like they didn't want to have the conversation? Because that would be verbalizing what Yeah,

Kerry 31:27
I don't know. But it's, you know, and especially after wearing it a couple of years is like, Why did nobody know? You know, again, like, can you tell me more about except for just in passing when you're writing my prescriptions? Oh, do you want to try it next time? Yeah,

Scott Benner 31:40
I always enjoy when someone asks me a question, I have no way to know the answer to. And then when I don't know the answer, they just go. Okay. But you're not going to fill in the blanks for me? Do you? Right, you know, or is it? You know, to your point like, is this a sales thing? Are you just being sold better by one company than the other? It is it you know, there are there are offices, who won't prescribe anything but certain pumps, I believe that yeah, there's no meaningful reason for that. You know, other than they have. I'm not even saying like a financial tie to it. Just it's a, it's how they do it. You don't I mean, like, I've been doing it this way forever. And this is what we're going to go this is what we're gonna keep doing reminds me that Tony Stark quote from the first Iron Man movie, what is that? Do you know what I'm talking about? No. All right, hold on a second. We're gonna take a minute let you collect yourself. And I'm gonna do this because it's gonna stick in my head. That's that's the way dad did it. Hold on America. There's all these words in here. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, yeah, here it is. He goes. That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well, so far. By the way, talking about making bombs. I always think that, like it's the some version of the meatloaf story about, you know, that I think I've told on here before and you know, like, I don't know, we just do it this way. This is how we do it. Just keep doing it the way we do it for God's sake. And you're like, well, there's three other products now. They're newer, like, other people use them? Would you not want to, like make yourself aware of them. So we could have a real conversation? Nothing. Just just keep going. Do this thing.

Kerry 33:30
It took a minute for her to even dig out a piece of literature to share with me. Yeah, take home. So

Scott Benner 33:38
yeah, they definitely didn't want you to have an omni pod. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I was so pressured not to get Arden and on the pod all those years ago by multiple people. Like when one person told me no, and I persisted. They brought other people to me to tell me no, and they just started saying all these, like things, none of which ever ended up being true. You can't she's too skinny for that. Right? The cannula goes into the wrong, blah, blah, blah, it's gonna fall off. It's gonna get knocked off. She's not gonna like that too. But you blew it. She's too small. She's too. Like, I am gonna try it if you don't mind. And then they're like, well, then the the other one that used to be what was the thing they used to scare you with? Oh, once you make this decision, you can't go back because you're locked in with your insurance. Right? That used to be the the old by the way now. And this isn't part of an ad for Omnipod. But now because of pharmacy benefits, you can actually Anyway, listen to it listen to you can move around a little more easily. But But I don't think it's malicious. I never once thought they were being malicious. I just thought they didn't know. Yeah,

Kerry 34:45
well, we're gonna get into more that they didn't know I guess. Okay,

Scott Benner 34:50
what else didn't they know? So I walked out I

Kerry 34:53
had they I had a I wouldn't say I got a Dexcom in the office like a sample If it wasn't that day I like came back the next day worked with the educator in is pretty much set up and ready to roll prescription set. So it took another week or so to get Omni pod. But again, once I got rolling, I was rolling. So, three months later went into the office. I think my agency, the previous visit was like seven, six or seven for when back in the office. My agency was five, seven. Well, that's better. And she was pissed.

Scott Benner 35:32
Oh, yeah. Cuz you succeeded. She didn't want

Kerry 35:35
you to have she was not happy. And I remember sitting there going, I mean, the the it had never been in the well hadn't been in the five since pregnancy. It's funny, because that whole, you know, year long period of getting pregnant and being pregnant. I was under six pretty consistently and then, you know, then it wasn't but so I was in office, she came back in and she was like, What are you basically what are you doing? You know, I was like, I can't like Why are you mad bro? Like

Scott Benner 36:10
title title? Why you mad bro?

Kerry 36:15
I mean, you should be you should we should be standing up giving each other a hug right now like not what is happening. And she called the Dexcom stop. And she was like, You are this is just too low. You can't you have to be careful. And and I'll be honest with you there. There were and I still do have lows, but it's not like I'm you know, in the 40s and ello. W I know how to correct it. I correct it quickly. You know, you know, I think even Ron in the 70s 80s She was like you can't this is not good. It's just too low. And so I left that appointment pretty mad because it's like, I think it's great. So

Scott Benner 37:05
yeah, like, if this was like a Cinemax movie, there'd be some like kissing after this.

Kerry 37:10
I mean, something like I need like somebody to give me a high five and a pat on the bottom. I felt like I was on the Chicago Bulls. I need to run through the, you know, come

Scott Benner 37:22
out through the tunnel, you're like I did everybody just line up around me five, seven, baby. If you think that they just are she thought, well, you're gonna hurt yourself. Yeah, because people don't have here's the expectation when you run into a doctor or physician or clinician like that. They don't think you're doing it in a meaningful way. They think you're just having a bunch of lows. And that's why the number looks lower. And they're worried about that. Ironically, when your agency was in the AIDS, she didn't look at it and say, Well, you're not doing this right. You're gonna kill yourself. She was like, this is fine. Die at your own pace.

Kerry 38:01
Know, yeah, so I didn't listen. I was like, whatever. You can be mad if you want. But, you know, and luckily, I have some, although I don't have any printer or know anyone who's type one. I have some friends who are registered dieticians, and one early in her career, spent some time and was exploring the CDE route. So I have some people in my corner that are checking on me that kind of know what's up. So I left that appointment and I and I texted the one friend. And you know, I got the I got the feeling that I expected from the doctor for from some other in my other people in my circle. So do

Scott Benner 38:44
you have any idea how many people text me when they leave their doctor's offices? Or hay mills? They're just like, oh my god, I'm standing in the parking lot outside of my window. This is my A one. See, you're the one I wanted to tell. And I think that's partly because they're like, Well, somebody's gonna cheat for me here. Yeah, you know,

Kerry 39:02
I posted in the Facebook group from the parking lot. Absolutely.

Scott Benner 39:07
I got angry a minute ago, not at you, but at the system. And I'm gonna expound on this a little bit. I don't understand why you're allowed to consciously kill yourself with higher blood sugars, but you're not allowed to try to be healthier. And then understand that there's a risk in there that you have to be aware of. Like, why do Why does it not matter if you're high? Like we're taking minutes off your life? If you're high? We're causing frozen shoulder the thing with the finger I can't pronounce and do pinchers? Is that it? Yep. That. You know, I can't say it makes me think of the platypus cartoon.

Kerry 39:48
Oh, yeah. Ah,

Scott Benner 39:50
Phineas and Ferb? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Phineas and Ferb. I can't say the word because my brain will run down like a Phineas Ferb rabbit hole. So I can't do that, but which I just did to myself and now it's how But, but you see what I'm saying? Like it's okay to have an eight, a nine a 10. And you know, something bad's gonna happen to you, but it will happen in the future. It won't happen now. But I don't want you to have a 5.7 a one C because what if you get low? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, like, how about in this scenario, I've got a chance. And in that scenario, I do not have a chance. I just have a little extra time where we're all pretending it's going to be okay. And it's fascinating like, people, can I just say something? I'm going to come off poorly here. What the hell Carrie? I've been at this for a while. A lot of people can't think there are levels to thoughts. There's the thing you hear first, and then there's the implication. And then there's the other implication. And then there's a different perspective and an alternate idea. And there's a you have to be able to stand in the middle of a thought and see it all happening around you. You can't just look at the part that you thought that your little brain thought of first and expected. That's the answer. High is better than low. Why? Well, you won't have a seizure if you're high. Okay. Why later, you'll just die later. And be unhealthy the whole time that we're okay with. Hmm, fascinating. Idiots. Yep, morons. If anyone's listening and you think that and you're a doctor, you're an idiot. There. That's it. I'll just go down in flames carry what the hell? I mean, I'm with you. Think about it. Go a couple more steps into the thought. Try to problem solve, like, be helpful. You're holding people's hands into their grave, and acting like you're helping them this woman thought she was being helped. And was not fast. Oh, it's terrible. All right, now I'm upset. You're upset. Keep going. What's next? You know, most

Kerry 41:46
of the time I'm seeing the nurse practitioner I'm not seeing in though. I only see I only get to her. I guess once a year, maybe. So the next appointment is with her. And the reaction from her is slightly better. Wow. Is that really good? She held

Scott Benner 42:05
in her fear that you

Kerry 42:06
choose swallowing it pretty good. But, um, so So bottom line is I haven't had an agency above six since I started listening. Good for you. Congratulations. Good. Thank Thank you.

Scott Benner 42:19
I don't know. Well, obviously, it's I don't like to say it. But obviously I did it. But you know, I mean,

Kerry 42:24
I wouldn't. I wouldn't be that way. If it wasn't for you. I can

Scott Benner 42:28
cry. Let me say, let me say this. Let me say this. You put in a ton of hard work and overcame a significant amount of generational like in your own life, like trauma and poor expectations. So you did all the hard work. I just really just, I just like pointed a flashlight at something. I was like, look at that over there. Don't you want that? Right? Yeah, here's, here's how we can get to that. Launch it go see if you can find that. Yeah, it's all I did. I'm corresponding with a gentleman right now on Instagram. Never heard his voice. And I would say that when he first reached out to me, he was really in a dire situation. And now he's like, it's like six months later. And he's been in range, like two days in a row. And he's super excited and doing better and paying attention to things and made some adjustments to his, you know, settings. And it just occurs to me when I look back on this moment. I didn't I mean, think about this, you went and saw a medical professional. Do you know how long it takes to get a medical degree, you have to go to undergrad, then you have to go to med school. And then if you're going to be an endo, you have to go to some I'm guessing it's 10 years to be a doctor, right? And then they sit in front of you. And you are having that experience and a guy DM me on Instagram and six months later, he's okay. What does that mean? Is it am I a genius? No, no, I'm not. I just told him, you're mad. You gotta get your basil, right. And then after you do that, we're going to figure out your insulin to carb ratio. You know, make sure your Bolus in your meals correctly, need to understand how these foods are going to impact your life and then just don't sit stagnant. When you see high blood sugars. And let's not overcorrect, low blood sugars. Go do that. And then he comes back. He's like I was in range. 85% today. I was like, Yeah, because you did the thing the right way. That's and that's not because I'm like a magic person. The podcast should be one episode long. It should be like Hello, everyone and welcome to the Juicebox Podcast. Understand how insulin works. Its timing and amount. All foods aren't equal. Don't stare at high blood sugars don't overcorrect. Lowe's, I'll see you later. That should be the whole podcast. And, you know, but the problem is, is that that message reaches people in all sorts of different ways. Right. And yours. Got to you through Mike.

Kerry 44:49
Absolutely. Yeah. Well, and then I mean, that was like the catalyst and then you know, then then I'm kinda, you know, you led me to the water and then I'm just I'm drunk, right? So I'm listening to 345 episodes a day, sometimes more actively listening sometimes just in the background, as I'm working in, you know, really started digging in and the episodes with Ginny. I mean, it's it was just a lot. And I was I was at a point too, I think you have to be ready. It's, it's almost like addiction, right? Like, people can tell you things and whatever. But if you're not ready to do the work back to your point, then, you know, you can listen all day. But if you're not going to do anything as a result of that, and doesn't really matter.

Scott Benner 45:39
Yeah, you can lead a horse to water is saying for a reason. Yeah, Yep, absolutely. So the one that always strikes me is that, you know, I grew up through the time when like, really bad, like television talk shows were on. And you couldn't flip a channel without seeing a 16 year old girl holding a baby crying, you know? And I would think the same thing every time. Like, doesn't everyone know this already? Right? Like, like, which is not reasonable. You don't I mean, but like that's, that's how it would occurred to me when I was younger. Like we all saw this Maury Povich episode, when you're 16. And your boyfriend starts making a face push them off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you like? Don't have a baby when you're 16. Right? Does it go? Well, for some people? Sure. But how do you not learn from this experience, and the truth is, is what you just said, you can't pre load human beings and expect them to just follow the program. They have to have experiences for themselves. And understanding that, especially around diabetes is super important. Because it stops you from writing people off, which is what the medical community does all the time. They the easiest connection I can make to it is that I know a lot of police officers, and some of them are become cynical. And there's like a 10 year lifespan before they, they kind of go through a process if you look their studies about like they start off like gung ho and like, you know, like they move through these processes. But eventually, you surround these people with enough of society that says like, they're trying to get over, they're trying to steal, they're lying to me. And before that, before too long, that becomes your expectation that everybody making face to face contact with us getting over on you somehow. And I think the same thing happens to doctors in a slightly different way. Whereas they come in gung ho, they preach, they preach, they preach, they don't realize the stuff they're preaching is not particularly helpful. And then when it doesn't change the patient's outcome, they go, oh, people don't listen. So now, after they've been in practice for a while the next patient comes in, they've written you off, when they looked at your chart, they didn't even wait to talk to you, oh, this person has this or that, or this. I know how this is gonna go. I'm not gonna waste my breath on this. They don't I don't think they think that consciously. But I think that's what happens. And you know, and what that all all that boils down to, when you're talking about the medical thing is that if they as doctors were actually doing something helpful, then people would have better outcomes, and then they would have better expectations. That's all. Yeah, yeah. It's generational. Because you mentioned it earlier. You just said something in passing, you go, Well, you know, back then I didn't test but the meter sucked anyway. So if enough people come up in that mindset, and they're in charge of telling you what to do, that's their mindset. It's what happened to you. Like, you know, technology changed, you did not change with it. Right. And so you were just like, well, this is what diabetes is, I guess I just, you know, I'll get old and that'll be great. Because I'll die on time with my older husband. I mean, that's such a sad statement. Carrie, is horrible. It really, really terrible. But the point is, it doesn't have to be that way. But you can't, every new person should get the the grace that that they deserve. And then they should get good information, which if doctors would listen closer to what I'm saying, it's not hard to explain to them. And it's not it's, you're confusing the issue, the way you talk to them, or when you grab their pump in turn a couple of hours ago, go come back. No one can do that. You can't just look at a graph and go Oh, I see the problem. You're getting high at 1am. Or you're getting low at 1am. They always do the wrong thing. No one they never think about what good ones do but most people don't think about insulin correctly. They think about like oh at 1am your low. So we'll just turn your Basal down at like midnight. But if you see the bigger picture, there was a meal at 9pm that was you know, 8pm that was Bolus for improperly. Blood sugar got really high person made a correction below at one o'clock is from the Bolus at 11 and the Bolus Sit 11 exists because of the poor Bolus at eight, you're low at 1am is because of a mistake you made at 8pm. And they don't see that stuff. They just lost your settings to try to get. That's why everybody's setting soc. Because they're, they're all patches, that people just keep patching your settings will turn your base floppy or turn it down there, do this, what do you do you run around a lot at four o'clock will do and not that some of that isn't valuable. The other day I was recording with Jenny, we're making a type two series, and we were expressing how blockages happen in arteries. I think that the way an artery gets blocked is the same way that people settings get so screwed up is that there's a little nick in it, you put a patch on it, and you put another patch on another one. And before you know it, you've got so many patches on it. And it's working for some reason, but it's not going to work like that for long, because something is gonna happen. And then everything's just screwed up. So anyway, I'm sorry. So sorry. I babble. I apologize.

Kerry 51:01
No, that's good. So digressing back to what you said about the type two, you announced that we're gonna date this episode, I guess a little bit, but you announced it last night on the on the Facebook group that was coming out. And you're like, basically, I want to hear your pissin and moanin. If you don't agree with it, keep moving. There, you're getting kicked out of the group. And the first comment that I saw was, like, said, it was pretty innocent what she said, but it was definitely like, just keep scrolling. And then here we're like, and this person is no longer in the group and is perfect. And then there was a lot of drama this weekend that needs to be happening in the group, either. It's so frustrating for those of us who come there to be in community to have people with their own agendas that you know, that I appreciate all that that you guys do you and this very small team of folks, yeah, I'm helping you with that a little bit. Do to keep that place clean? Because it's a it's a safe place for us not. You know,

Scott Benner 52:04
no, I appreciate that. Thank you. It's hard to do, because it's, so what you're saying, just in case people are listening didn't follow along with that. I knew I was putting up my first diabetes, type two diabetes pro tip the following day. And there's a small segment of people who if I say anything about type two are like, this is for type one people. And I'm like, okay, you know, I, there's so many type twos in the in the group now. And they, it turns out that they're helped by the podcast, you know, if they need medication, or, you know, and it's just an injectable, well, then they learn about, like how food impacts them. And they make decisions that way, if they're using insulin, I mean, the truth is, by the time you're type two, and you're using insulin, there's not a lot of difference between being type one and type two, if you're using insulin as a type two. So the podcast is helping them it's people losing grand amounts of weight, and a one sees coming down at lives being changed and everything. And I'm not going to let one short sighted dummy come in in the middle of it and yell like, there's places for type ones, like what are you doing? Like, you know, and even a person came into the thread and was like, you know, like, Please don't, I had to pick through what they were saying. But they were worried that because there are more people with type two in the world, that my content would help them. And then that that would stop me from making a type one podcast. That's so crazy. And I thought, wow, that's such an interesting leap. Like, I can do both things at the same time. I'm okay. You know, like, like, it's gonna be alright. But but that's self preservation that this person felt, I understood that. They were like, they were like, Look, you in this thing that you made for me, are saving my life. Don't stop doing it. Don't get like caught up in somebody else's thing. Like, stay here with me. So I just told that person. I said, Look, don't worry. Like, if that's what you're worried about, it's okay. I like that's not gonna happen. I've thought this. I've been thinking about this for years. Don't worry, I didn't just wake up today and decide to do. And so but the other person was just like, oh, like, here it comes. And I'll let these people in. You know what I mean? I'm like, Oh, my God. And then I went back to say something to them. And they had already left the group and I had the same thought you did. I was like, Okay, well, first off.

Kerry 54:29
Let's keep scrolling. Yeah, and if

Scott Benner 54:31
that person's listening, I banned your account. You can never get back in. I don't understand. Well, I do understand, but it's still baffling. To watch someone be so helped by something. And then it becomes less than perfect for them and they yank their pants down and sit on the floor and run out.

Kerry 54:51
Right? That's mine. Mine. Mine. Mine mine. You can't have any of it. Yeah, fascinating.

Scott Benner 54:55
I'm not up for that. Yeah, so So

Kerry 54:59
I do I, and that's one of the things I wanted to tell you as well as like that group means a lot. I think there's a lot of people out there like me that don't, that don't know anybody. So so that group is, is the is that connection for me, even though I'm very rarely on that site? I don't know, half a dozen times a day. So

Scott Benner 55:24
I'm aware of how it works for most people that they don't, they don't say anything. It's just there for them. Yeah, I can. It's extremely helpful. I'm glad. Thank you. I appreciate you sharing that with me. Because it was it wasn't, it wasn't my idea. And, but once I saw it working, I was like, Oh, I know how to make this bigger and better and helpful. And, you know, so. But, you know, I told people before, like, I didn't want to make a Facebook page. I got, like, browbeat into it by listeners who were like, We need a place to go. And I was like, Okay, God, I don't want to be in charge of Facebook. And

Kerry 55:59
I appreciate the you know, for the most part, when I see going on on there, you kind of let it work itself out. And I appreciate that, too. Because it's, that's good for us to see to like, okay, you know, with the stuff this past weekend, there were like people concerned, it was about a religious post this weekend. But the reactions from some of the people was like, You people are new here. And then I was kind of like that mind, mind mind mentality. Like, you don't need to be here, if you're gonna act like this.

Scott Benner 56:33
Yeah, I had to let that play out a little bit and work it out. Because it's interesting. So I, in my heart, I want people to be able to say whatever they want, right? Yeah. And so I just let it go on. And then I came in, and I said, Look, we're not going to tell people how to talk here. So, you know, you just get over it. And a person came in and said, I don't know if you all don't like really know the space well, or haven't heard the podcast. But Scott has no religious holdings whatsoever. Right. And he's in here defending these religious posts. And she's like, that's your indication that this is a good place to be. Yeah, like and and I did I let it go on forever and ever and ever. And I had no trouble with the law. I deleted anything that was due to people. I was like, No, you're not saying that. I lost listeners. People yelled at me in private messages. Oh, my God. And I'm like, Oh, my God, I wish they knew. I'm like, I read it. I'm like, I don't care about this. impacting me, if that's what you think is happening. I'm just running it in a common sense why? And then it was over. And I thought, Ah, there's another like, I have a half a dozen these days a year where I'm like, My whole day is just like teaching adults not to be children. And it was over. And then at the end of the night, someone puts up a new post and she's an rehashes it and I was I thought I saw it. I was like, You mother. Just got this out. I'm like, really? And then that person yelled at me. And then and you would think, like, I banned I didn't, I was like, Look, I understand how you feel. But this isn't what's going to happen. And so you're, you're not gonna restart this problem. Like, just, it's over now. But I thought you were talking about yesterday. This person put up a post explaining how the podcast really isn't for them. Because they have ADHD, and they can't, like keep up or I you know, to be honest with you, I was like, I started reading and I was like, Oh, great. Here's a this is lovely. Like, can you just imagine if you I don't know like pick your like, what's your favorite movie? Oh, that's a tough one TV SHOW ACTOR anything helped me carry go quickly.

Kerry 58:52
Maybe from childhood would be rocky to

Scott Benner 58:56
imagine if Sylvester Stallone was sitting at home. And someone had the ability to walk up to him knock on his window, you open the window and the guy and the guy goes, Hey, I want to tell you something. I don't like this Rocky movies. Yeah, they're just they're not for me. I think so stolen would go. Alright, man. What? What? Why are we doing this? You know what I mean? Like, like, what what is this about? And he might close the window now. Not me. I just watched the thread grow. I don't like it either. I was like, this is fun for me. I get to listen to all the people who don't like the podcast.

Kerry 59:34
Well, and then there's people that go there's a podcast. Yeah.

Scott Benner 59:38
And other people who are offended by that. It's just It's fascinating. So, but anyway, I'm gonna tell you what I think in in the grand scheme of things. At least they're talking about it. Yeah, that's all I care about. I don't know if they've ever said this on the podcast before or not, because there's like a little dicey language in it, but I wrote a book took a long time ago. And it was about being a stay at home dad. And it did well, but it didn't do great. And I wasn't famous and publishers don't help their authors unless they're famous and stuff like that. So I did some media book languished a little bit, sold, okay. And then I went on television, I somehow, like got my way onto the Katie Couric show. And part of that Katie had a blog, and she must have done business with AOL. So at some point on the front page of AOL was a story about my book. And I thought, Oh, this is great, like, the books gonna sell like crazy and nothing happened. And I was like, Oh, my God, like being on TV didn't help the sales like this article. I was just like, Oh, alright, I guess I give up, you know. And about two weeks later, I get a text from a friend. And they're like, Hey, your books number 50 in the country. And I'm like, what? That's not true. And I went on Amazon, and I was like, number 50. I was like, What in the hell people have finally realized my genius, like, yeah. And I thought, but then it turns a little went on for like, two weeks. And then suddenly it stopped. And I thought, what happened? Like, I thought this was it. And then a month later, it popped back up again. And I'm like, Oh, I'm back. And then one day, I realized, on AOL, there was a chat about the article. And people were arguing as to whether or not I was a closeted homosexual or not. Oh, my gosh. And so the, this is fantastic. I've never have I never told this on here.

Kerry 1:01:42
I haven't heard it. I've heard the Katie Couric and not

Scott Benner 1:01:47
this. So. So what ended up happening was, is they're starting to, you know, like fringe conversation. No straight man wants to stay home with their kids. Wow, this woman, this poor woman is married to a gay guy, and she doesn't even know it. And I was like, Oh, my God. And then at first, you're like, I thought, I'm not gay. But I don't care about that. Like, like that part I don't care about other people would come in. They're like, you're an idiot. People can run their lives anywhere they want. The guy's not gay because he stays home with his family and has feelings. And you know what happened? They argued with each other. So the fringes were arguing, you know what the middle was doing? Fine in the book. Why in the book I talk about Yeah. So when I see that crap on Facebook, all I think is keep going. God call me gay all you want. Better to me. People are listening to the podcast, and they're a one sees her better, and their health is better. And their variability is lower, and they're happier. And they're baba, baba, but go ahead and do your crazy fringy arguments. Who cares? You know why? Because then the algorithm says, People care about this place. And then they feed it to you. And then you come in, and instead of like, because you're a reasonable person, instead of going like, Oh, are they arguing about Jesus, or ADHD or whatever they're arguing about? You're gonna I don't want to be a part of this. Let me go check out the Pro Tip series. Right. So in the end, what people don't realize is their insanity is making the podcast more popular. Right? Yeah. So call me gay. All you want carried that should be the name of this episode. Because it helps it helps people with their diabetes, and I'm not impacted by it at all. And by the way, whether I'm gay or straight, whatever, like, you know what I mean? Like, it was it was just the act of them arguing. And what would happen was that AOL saw that people were interested in the article, so they kept putting it on the front page. So it was on the front page. Nobody looked at it. Then the argument happened, it rolled around to the front page. I sold crazy for two weeks. At the end of the month, it dropped off. And then at some point a month later, someone found the thread again, started arguing again, which made our AOL algorithm put the story back on the front page again. So anyway, that is an absolutely 1,000,000% True story. I was a best seller. I was a best seller for two weeks.

Kerry 1:04:21
Well, hey, added to the resume, right? The resume

Scott Benner 1:04:25
didn't hold. It didn't hold on long enough for me to be an actual best seller. And to be honest with you, I don't even know if that book is any good. Like, you want to hear something funny.

Kerry 1:04:34
I'm not even getting a hold of it anymore. No, I know, because

Scott Benner 1:04:37
the publisher went out of business. Yeah, and I could probably get the rights to it and just self publish it but like, it sounds like a lot of work. I would get the rights to it. Just put it online and make it free. Maybe that I should just do that. That wouldn't be a bad idea. Alright, hold on a second. I got a board here. Make a note of it. Right book rights, let's see what I can get done. But anyway, like people don't understand how things they don't understand how they're being manipulated. And they just they just don't see it. Like, like, by the way, like if people have trouble listening to the podcast because they have ADHD, like I understand. I really do. I don't understand coming to my place of like, and being like, Hey, I just came here to let you all know, I don't like the podcast.

Kerry 1:05:25
Thanks. So I go into Chick fil A and say, I hate chicken. And they're just leaving.

Scott Benner 1:05:33
I don't I don't enjoy it. By the way. It's not even I hate chicken. It would be like, hello. I don't enjoy chicken. Does everyone hear me? I just don't enjoy chicken. You not you either. Oh, no. What? Are you just having a salad? Yeah, me too. I don't like the chicken. All right, I'm gonna go now. What did that just do? Oh, so that's how I thought of it at first. But then it turned into like this kind of lovely gathering of people with ADHD. And I thought, Oh, wow, even this is going to help somebody. Right? You know, and so good. So, so I have no, by the way, I would never. I would never just, if you said something I didn't like and that Facebook group. I mean, you'd have to be like, wrong or hurtful or malicious. Right? For me to delete it. Like, I'm just like, alright, well, they don't like the podcast, whatever. But I don't know. Because then what happens is someone else comes in and says, No, you should try listening to it. It's really helpful. Or maybe there's ways for you to get the information that would be easier on your ADHD using that as an example. It would be here's another free piece of advice for content creators who are getting it all wrong. Most people would delete that. Right? You know, most people would be like, Oh, I don't want anybody to hear that. They don't like the podcast. I'm like, I don't know. I assume people don't like it. Right? Why would everybody like it?

Kerry 1:06:53
Everybody likes it? I don't think you're doing it right. When everybody started,

Scott Benner 1:06:57
like in South Park, I stopped watching it. I loved it when nobody knew but us. Anyway, it's just, we're going over and I have a really busy day. So let me make sure. I want to make sure we get all this together. So you make your adjustments, do your things. Your agency is terrific. Your variability is better. Has your shoulder gotten any better? Yeah,

Kerry 1:07:18
so I didn't. So they gave me a couple options in the office. I mean, at that point, I probably was at like 30%, maybe mobility, whatever. He was, like, you know, we could we could look at maybe a cortisone shot, or I really think he should just go to physical therapy. So that was height of COVID. So I got diagnosed with that, like, February of 2020. So it's like I Yeah, I'm good. So I did a bunch of reading online and, you know, a lot of horror stories about physical therapy, and it's like, or you could just wait it out. So I would say because the pain wasn't terrible, unless I tried to move it

Scott Benner 1:08:05
hurts when I do this? Yeah,

Kerry 1:08:07
don't do that. I'll do which was pretty much anything was my right arm. So I'm probably like, 90% back. So

Scott Benner 1:08:16
really, your blood sugar's just stabilized and lower. You're feeling better. Yeah, yeah. I spoke to somebody the other day that said that their feelings of neuropathy went away after they found the podcast. That's cool. Yeah. Pretty cool. for everybody, but like, you could have damage that can't be you know, right, walking. But yeah, it's so it's amazing. Did you ever meet Mike in person other than in the Facebook Live? Have you? Have you spoken to him online?

Kerry 1:08:46
Just during that Facebook Live?

Scott Benner 1:08:50
So he's hearing now what this all meant to him? To you? I'm sorry. He's just hearing now in this episode. What this all meant to you? Yes, that's lovely. Can you tell me why it made you cry in the beginning when you were talking about it? I don't

Kerry 1:09:05
know. Just I was just so angry. And I was just angry. And if you get me mad enough to make me cry, that's that's a lot. Like I'm, I'm angry. So it's like, well, I guess I was, and still am a little angry about it. But you know, you know better you do better. And, and that's where I'm at now. So

Scott Benner 1:09:25
good for you. Excellent. I consider therapy. Yep. The, by the way, by the time this comes out, I might be able to put a better help ad on here. They've reached out to me. That's not why I brought it

Kerry 1:09:38
up. Hey. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:09:43
Starting to get advertiser inquiries from companies that aren't like, diabetes specific. Yep. So the other day, um, they were like, Hey, we're reaching out on behalf of BetterHelp. And I was like, oh, that's the online therapy thing. I was like I actually thought, but that might really be helpful for People, right? You know, I was like, alright, I'll hear more about that. So we're in the process of them telling me more about it. So yeah. All right. Well, I really appreciate you doing this. This sounds strange, but I have to record again in 45 minutes. And then as soon as that's over, I have to go to the dentist. Oh, fun for you. My day sucks. Except for except for talking to you. That part's been really good. Oh, thank you. Did you get to say everything you wanted to say? Yeah, I

Kerry 1:10:24
just wanted to say one more thing that I appreciate all the discussions around eating may not have applied to me. But my, my daughter has a has had some guests or stuff. She actually had her gallbladder out this summer. And then after that, we determined that it was actually gluten all along. So she does not have celiac but just kind of listening to other people talk through and then you talking about some Ardennes things has really been beneficial as well. So I appreciate all that all those discussions. And even even when an episode is something that doesn't apply to me at all, I usually always get something. I always have a takeaway, so I appreciate it. Oh, it's my pleasure, more than more than more than anybody could ever tell you enough. There's a lot of us out there that it's just huge. So thank you,

Scott Benner 1:11:17
what would have been more meaningful? If you cried while you're saying it? But I Well, I'm

Kerry 1:11:20
fine swallowing a little bit.

Scott Benner 1:11:25
Good. I hope people understand I'm teasing. But no, that's, that's so nice. I appreciate it. I just think, you know, I have this theory about why things work and why they don't. And, you know, it's funny that it to bring back up the ADHD thread, those, a couple of those people were like, just give me the bullet points, I don't want the conversation, I don't want you to go down a rabbit hole or tell a joke in the middle I because they're because they can't, because they get lost in it when it happens. And I understand that. I wish they could understand that this is the this is just what I know how to do. And I also believe that distribution is the biggest problem. Like you can have all the good information in the world, if you can literally get it to people, it's meaningless. And I think if you look at the diabetes community, as a whole, over the last, like, over the internet age, as an example, it's full of well, meaning well educated people writing down bullet lists of what you should do. And that hasn't helped anyone. I'm sure it helps some people. But it hasn't helped the mass of people, the average agency is still too high. People still fundamentally don't understand their disease. And I think that if I keep having these conversations, that someone will take some some new person will take some new bit of information out of each one of them. Yeah, and that that, to me is a very slow and patient plan. But the other thing doesn't work. Like I wrote them all down for you just do them. Yeah. Okay. You just said earlier, like, I don't know why I didn't do the thing. Yeah, I mean, I had to have that experience for myself. And so it means a lot to me that that you say you find something in every episode, because I actually believe that, I think that if, if you just listen to this podcast, you'd be better off. And in a lot of ways that are not measurable. And in a lot of ways that you wouldn't expect. A you know, digestion as an example, like I told Arden the other day, said, I got this really lovely note from somebody, a woman in her 40s, who said that her stomach doesn't hurt for the first time in decades. And she was writing to thank Arden for letting me share our story. And I said, Isn't that nice? And artigos? Yeah, it's fine. But I still wish my stomach didn't hurt. And I was like, No, I know. I'm not saying no, yeah, fair enough. But it was one of the first times I can tell she's getting older. Because she was I want to find the right word. She seemed pleased that her story helped somebody. And and kind of grateful to know what happened. And in the past, when she was younger, she'd be like, doesn't help me, you know? And I'm like, No, I know. But by the way, she cares. That's fine. Tell my story all you want, but I'm not getting anything out of it. And I think this is the first time she realized, like helping people is nice. And you do get something out of that. Right, you know, but, but think about that that's a Arden's whole journey. us like hammering through it, trying to figure it out, coming up with this weird thing. And then me having a platform to say it, so the distribution works, because otherwise, it's just me on my Facebook page telling 12 people, which doesn't help anybody, it helps those 12 people and it dies on the vine there. Right? People need to understand how the dissemination of information works in a digital age. We need the conversations so that people keep coming back and keep listening. I can't just make cuz like, as much as I'll joke about it one episode with the secrets to life in it, nobody would listen to. And if they would, we wouldn't need new television shows because you'd also be watching mash or the hunting or the honeymooners, we'd all still be watching, right? So you need more content has to keep copying, to keep people engaged, to keep conversations going so that you can have the conversations so that the information can come out so that somebody new can take something out of it. And that is my lesson on podcast for today. That no one will listen to you all just keep doing the same stupid that you do over and over again and no one's gonna listen to your podcast, but whatever. Do what you want. I don't care, Gary. All right.

Kerry 1:15:42
Launch and get ready for the business dammit Hold

Scott Benner 1:15:44
on one second for me. Okay appreciate you doing this

Unknown Speaker 1:15:46
okay

Scott Benner 1:15:55
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